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Why has that post been deleted? What did it say?



Hey Eldrick.....I see you have trust in the surgeons etc......and yet you have never met them :-D :-D


That little boy in Africa will have someone praying for him........but how do you solve the problem of the corrupt officials, governments and people who are blocking aid, syphoning money and generally contributing to the massive problems faced by their people?? :-S


So many probs are caused by we humans.......but God gets the blame....

Elizabeth, I read the post... there wasn't one thing in it to warrant a report, there never is in your posts, they are always gentle... I think the world's gone mad :-0

Who on earth reported Elizabeth of Seasons post????!!!!!!

Now I didn't think anything on here could surprise me any more but that is truly beyond belief!

Dear All

OY!!!

Who has pinched my post???

It is a very nice post, peaceful not at all rude.

I want it back.

Best wishes
Elizabeth
x

Look at that......we double posted........ :-D :-D


The main thing that strikes me about your last comment Eldrick is your use of the word 'I', sort of 'me' 'me' 'me'. Maybe it's time to look in another direction. :-D



Current Christian doctrine? There is no current Christian doctrine. It's been the same for over 2,000 years my friend. Those who live with Christ, die with Christ. Those who don't........don't. But it's not for us to judge so I couldn't possibly comment on your fate ...... I don't believe in Crystal balls you see...... ;-)

Ah, It makes sense now. I wondered how long it would take, lol.

Feel Free

and may the force be with you !!

Renes

Are you seriously criticising my use of the English language? Seriously?

In a debate about religion, you are criticising the way I use language? Well, if you really want to travel that route.......

I look forward to it! :-D :-D :-D :-D

Edit: Cyn, regarding the young footballer, I had a thread up about that. My feelings about it are well known, but I am sure atheist fans would do as I did. Nothing. But place their trust in the expertise of the medical staff.

As I said then, I believe that praying is selfish and pointless, as if it is gods will, then who am I, you or anyone else to try to influence him to change his mind when some little boy in africa is dying of a curable illness but hasn't got anyone to pray for him. Not that I for one moment believe in prayers, but the principle is, for me, so wrong on so many levels.

As for books on theology......wow......there are thousands......where does one start and yes, there have always been translation difficulties. Hebrew/Greek/Aramaic/Latin/English......such a cocktail!


And as for the bible itself.......there are so many different versions available today - from those that suit scholars and theologians to those which have been published in an easier reading form. I quite like the Good News version myself but I think that maybe it's time for me to have another look round.....



Just thought of something Eldrick....

When that young footballer collapsed on the field a few weeks ago, there were loads of messages urging people to pray for him. It made me wonder how football fans who are atheists handled that request??

Heres a one for you, then.

By any definition, I am a heretic, a blasphemer and I deny the holy spirit, in triplicate and with bells on if necessary. I am emancipated, freed of the shackles of belief. I do not believe in any god and I do not believe in jesus or mohammed other than accepting that they may have existed but are neither prophets or anything other than normal human beings.

So, what is my fate? I have not been struck by lightning, visited by a plague of frogs or bitten by a serpent. I am free to eat what I want, when I want, wear what I want, not have bits of my body cut off, don't have to pray or worship anything or anyone, can sleep with who I want and think what I want. I have no fears of retribution in either this life or whatever awaits me afterwards. I am no better and no worse than anyone else on this planet, I am kind to people and animals, I give to charity and have been responsible for a number of acts that have bettered the lives of those less fortunate than me. Mr average.

But I deny the holy spirit and the existence of god, jesus, allah and mohammed. For those reasons, there are many who would still, in this day and age, see me dead, beheaded or horribly tortured then ritually killed. OK, perhaps not in this country, but certainly in some parts of the world.

So what is my fate according to current christian doctrine? Just asking, thats all

:-D :-D

Hi ya Cyns

It amazes me how when a person uses words for example

-- a perfect example to prove my point :


and when you raise an alternative comment - its

- I do not know what you mean :

my kids always did that, now I come to think of it !!






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Hi Renes ~~~~~~


I enjoy differing viewpoints too Eldrick my friend............I always find it exhilerating to stand up for what I believe in - it keeps me on my toes too.. :-D

Thats like speaking in braille to me. Sorry, we are on different planes. I dont understand what you are getting at.

What is the significance of various dictionary definitions of the word 'feel'? Sorry for being slow.

or--------- a poor use of language

Feel

1.
to perceive or examine by touch.
2.
to have a sensation of (something), other than by sight, hearing, taste, or smell: to feel a toothache.
3.
to find or pursue (one's way) by touching, groping, or cautious moves.
4.
to be or become conscious of.
5.
to be emotionally affected by: to feel one's disgrace keenly.
EXPAND
6.
to experience the effects of: The whole region felt the storm.
7.
to have a particular sensation or impression of (often used reflexively and usually followed by an adjunct or complement): to feel oneself slighted.
8.
to have a general or thorough conviction of; think; believe: I feel he's guilty.
COLLAPSE
verb (used without object)
9.
to have perception by touch or by any nerves of sensation other than those of sight, hearing, taste, and smell.
10.
to make examination by touch; grope.
11.
to perceive a state of mind or a condition of body: to feel happy; to feel well.
12.
to have a sensation of being: to feel warm.
13.
to make itself perceived or apparent; seem: How does it feel to be rich?

Oh dear. I was inviting you.

Forget it, ignore it and take into account that the written word can often be misinterpreted by the reader, which is rather the point of this whole thread. The reader of something often puts their own interpretation on it, a bit like the bible and the koran in a strange way. Quite a good example, if I say so myself!

:-D :-D

What do you get when you cross an insomniac, an agnostic and a dyslexic?



Someone who stays up all night wondering it there is a dog. :-D

perhaps there is a different interpretation of the following --if there is, I am unaware of it



"Feel free to contribute - we dont bite! "

Not sure I understand you. Permission for what? Sorry, must be having a senior moment.

:-)

Haven't read that particular one, RR, but I dont think that it is disputed anywhere that there are translation issues from the Hebrew into English or whatever else. The classic is the argument over the translation of the word Almah - does it mean virgin or, to use the literal translation - a young girl?

Oddly enough someone has just said pretty much what I have on tv, lol... it is on BBC HD 'Life of Jesus', it's interesting.

Eldrick

I have not needed any ones permission, for any reason , since I was 18 years of age - almost 50 years ago


Whether they ........ "bit" ........... or not