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>>>>>>>>>>>>run forrest run>>>>>>>>>>>>> lol

SuperS...boreydar :-D

Hayley you know where I live which is in West Wales, actually 200 yds from the sea and I stay at our house in the Valleys when I can.

I did mention that much earlier on this thread but it was ignored by 'got the T shirt' and then of course 'got the T shirt' intimates that I shouldn't have an opinion about Welsh speaking areas ;-) ;-)

As it's my OP I may just delete it so I don't have to read the codswallop again :-D :-D

However, that would do a disservice to many contributors whose posts are valid.

Rose
Can Wales be independent?
Is it financially viable?
how?
What safeguards for the choices of the non-Welsh speaking Welsh will be put in place?
Will there be a bar on incomers?
1. y,
2, y,
3. more resources and less population than NZ and Norway.
4. If still bilingual, unlikely that those without Welsh would get many public jobs. But no reason why bilkingual skills would be necessary in most private sector jobs.
5. Incomers? I think we love incomers who are prepared to bend a bit. The stiffest have always been those (WASPs) from the south of England, who seem to believe they are superior to every other species of mankind. Imho.
Quite a few are coming into the valleys from the richer Home Counties now to retire. Often a major reason is that you can sell a house there for £300,000 and buy a quite nice little terraced in a lovely scenic area quite close to the sea amd major cities for about £60k.
Some absolutley hate Wales and feel trapped once they move here. But some really get stuck in and become an essential part of a community - often an ex mining community that was dying on its feet.

Anyway, off thread :-( :-(

Just found this from the BBC 25th August 2003

"These people don't come in to absorb the culture, they don't come in to integrate. They come in to colonise and I use the word colonisation deliberately."

"They bring parts of Lancashire into Lleyn. What else is that but colonisation?

Real charmer this one...

& it says he is a "former" Archdruid-bet the present one is loving the bad press.

I suspect it was pointed out to him that he should pay or leave & he's just one of those people who have to prove a point, it's not as if he couldnt understand was it?

John, why defend someone who has as it were "let the side down" badly...or are you a Druid as well?

PMSL @ all of this "debate" how many more excuses can John make up for a bully?

Up to now we have

Robyn's age and he is a frail old man, he should be shown more repsect for a man in his dotage!

Robyn is super intelligent a retied whatever that has written 2 books.

The women behind the counter was only an £7.00 cashier.

Its the media's fault they have only reported the shop managers side of the story.

Its the shop managers fault for not being able to handle the situation, he and the £7.00 an hour cashier should of sang the amount to said frail old bully ( in the key of C no doubt)

Its the police's fault for coming out to such a small matter !

We are then given a family history of the shop owners and on the day of the incident the owner was having a bad hair day!

Sue doesnt really live in Welsh Wales she only lives in Gwent, so doesnt have a right to comment on any news items concerning Wales.

Tesco's stores used to closed for an hour lunch break during the 1970's.


and if all else fails its everyone elses fault but the arse of an man who actually caused it all....ohh no its not his fault. :-0

I await with interest to see what other excuses can be made, actually we havent had the weather yet.



So the way we now debate is to select only the bits we actually want to debate ignore the facts, then add aload of shite that really has nothing to do with subject and of course claim to enjoy when everyone agrees with you. :-S

He's obviously not quite the full ticket, as he thinks of himself as a Druid.!!!!! a Druid.
what's that all about, do you think he dresses up in funny robes as well like the nutter at Stonehenge :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

George :-) :-) :-) :-)

Eeyore. In a place like Pwllheli, most people are fully bilingual and it is therefore one of those places (certainly outside of season) when you can use either language.

No one else has said this, but I think it is natural for a Welsh speaker to state the amount in English rather than Welsh, even though they would speak Welsh quite naturally to customer till that point. Could the manager not have made that point to Dr Lewis and made a bit of a lighthearted joke about it to diffuse situation. :-S

If he'd got himself arrested he could've asked for a Welsh Translator...

ooooh yes that's flawed...he can speak English duh

Very interesting posts from Gwynne and Rose. Yes, I take your points very well.

I have just begun to wonder if it was all a put up job. Publicity is almost always good. Lewis has got publicity for his views, his books, his place in bardic society in Wales (my mom said to win a chair was better than a knighthood ;-))

Conrad Davies has got publicity for his shop. And he seems to be pretty good at that.

What I was remembering was a close collaboration between a zoo manager in N Wales and a hotel manager. Every 2 years when trade slacked off a bit, an eagle would escape and conveniently land on the hotel roof in the resort below. Well, that was what the Liverpool Post said on the front page each time :-D ;-)

I certainly haven't managed a supermarket, John, not my sort of job at all.

I have worked in a couple of shops when I was a student and hated it, even though the shops were nice and the people I worked with were lovely. The general public can be incredibly rude and I am not the sort of person to put up with that. Shop work and me are not a match made in heaven.

Fortunately in the places I got holiday work the management felt the same way and told us to call a floorwalker or manager if a customer was rude. They didn't pussyfoot round them but asked them to leave.

I imagine Conrad did the same. Told him to pay up and leave or just leave. And when he didn't do either he called the police. What else could he do? Pick him up and throw him out, tempting though that may have been?

I don't think you are allowed to demand a specific type of police constable when you call, just report the problem and leave it to the desk sergeant to decide who to send.

The "best solution" was for Dr R L to be a reasonable human being in the first place but it's obviously too late for a personality transplant.

Jax. I had a quick look and thought it was a significant shop. In 1977, three of my Tescos (as an Area Manager) were Colwyn Bay, Old Colwyn and Abergele. Abergele was largest with 12 staff and all three closed for an hour for lunch!!

This looks a small and very successful local supermarket to me. And I am sure it is very well managed. It looks clean, bright, inviting. I do suspect this fairly minor incident could have been handled a little better by Mr Davies, but I doubt we will ever know why he acted as he did. Perhaps we would all have called a policeman. :-S

*rings 999*

"which service please?"

"police"

"what's your emergency"

"we are having a little trouble in our shop with a gentleman who demands to be spoken to in Welsh, could you please send an English speaking officer?"


lololololol now I have heard everything :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

I googled the shop Tec and it did'nt look that big to me, maybe it's a Tardis inside?

The spar in my old villiage with over 2000 inhabitants sold the essentials (no fresh meat) but with a bus service to the nearest Tesco only every 2 hours it was handy....not the sort of place where you did your weekly shop

Gwynne. At worst he was a stubborn and opinionated old fool. I am assuming you have never managed a supermarket. In my experience, that sort of incident starts several times a day. Just imagine serving 50 of the most active genes posters :-0 :-0

Managers train their cashiers and supervisors to deal with these problems. The vast majority can be diffused immediately at source by the cashier. If not, management is called and you approach the checkouts as Store Manager to see an upset cashier and an upset customer.

You are Conrad Davies. What do you do next? Discuss. (Answer. You call an English only speaking policeman). Really? Is that the best solution?

Incidentally, if you sing "pum deg wyth punt" you can sing it to "Men of Harlech"

Jax,

These shops are bigger than the average Spar - my local one employs about 40/50 staff - hardly corner shops. :-)

Eeyore - £58 - 62p in English :-D

Tec.

Fifty-eight pounds, eighty nine pence

just chat to myself in Wenglish...

Conrad did nothing wrong and everything right. He supported his employee in the face of a bullying, arrogant old git out to cause trouble. A shame more employers don't do the same. I hate to see shop workers harrangued and humiliated by rude customers who are not as important as they think they are. Any decent employer would do as Conrad did.

I really hope he bans the old fool. He'd be no loss whatsoever. A timewaster and rude as well. I doubt Conrad needs the money that much, from the article posted he seems a popular chap, and this can only increase his popularity among reasonable people.

"Pumdeg wyth punt, wythdeg naw ceiniog"

& what's that in English? please??

This is a tiny corner shop type premises from what I can see...the spar in my old villiage looked bigger.

£50 spent in the shop does'nt go far these days....few bottles of booze and some fags, oh and maybe a pint of milk :-D

Thanks, Tec. That info was very helpful.

I just wonder why, when the cashier pushed her bell, Conrad didn't come over, find out what the problem was and then (along with the girl) carouse the old boy with "Pumdeg wyth punt, wythdeg naw ceiniog" in a tuneful duet. That would have got just as much publicity, but in a fun way and nobody would have been upset.

Not a small shopping bill. And Dr Ellis would probably have sought out the shop for its range of local produce (which would probably make the shop a good profit). You cannot afford to lose a customer (and some of his friends possibly) over a silly incident like that. Sounds like a bad hair day for Conrad.