General Chat

Paula, some us gather our facts from knowledge and personal experience - it's just unfortunate that some of us do not express ourselves very well.

exactly - still waiting for the fount of all knowledge to return with some words of wisdom

Oh my Lord (pardon the pun. Reading some of these postings, I am at a loss to understand from where certain people gather their facts. Some people don't half speak some “claptrap” on here.

“Claptrap” definition Empty verbiage or nonsense. :-D :-D

I seem to recall many many years ago being told/reading that RC priests in Far East and S. America etc. were allowed to marry.

I have always felt they should be able to marry - come into the real world instead of a glass bowl. If there those that prefer to remain celibate, then that is their choice but there should be a choice.

well I'd still like him to stand up and be counted here - he makes such sweeping statements and if they lead to him being ridiculed, then he should just stop it - and much as you may wish to "stick up for him" Cynthia, he is quite able to do it for himself, and as for goading - he has a degree in it as demonstrated by that statement - I am certainly not goading him, just ask him to explain that sweeping statement

Off to climb a tree :-D ( lol no that's not some subtle reference to primitive ancestors I'm going to see if I can help on the WDYTYA board ) :-D

Rose.......the words 'foot and mouth' come to mind. ;-)

Ann, I'm not sure that would be a good idea to be honest. He would only be putting himself up for more ridicule, criticism and contempt which, even if some of it is deserved, only serves to stir up discontent and disharmony on the boards.


Of course, I realise that there are several members who are willing to goad him and wish to jump down his throat as soon as he opens his mouth, but there are also those who do not wish to be a part of such behaviour and just move gently round any offending comments with courtesy.......and a smile. :-)

Oh I know what he's galloping around Cynthia :-D Unfortunately he's not looking where he's putting his hooves ;-)

well perhaps he'd like to come back and explain for himself

Rose, I think John is galloping around the point of Original Sin - which is still a doctrine within Christian theology.

Wiki has quite a good article on the varying points of view. :-D

so John - no comment on the following

It is in our nature to be highly sexual, hooked on drugs and other stimulants, agrressive towards our neighbours, liars, cheats etc. That is "natural" man.

which at least three of us vehemently disagree - give us some fact from your extensive knowledge

Yes, I think the time has come for RC priests, if they so wish, to be allowed to marry.......but, if there are those who still wish to take the vow of celibacy then that should be respected.


Mind you, it can't happen overnight - it would be a major upheaval and reform of the RC church as a whole.


I'm not sure the Anglican vicars are quite the lynch pin of society that they used to be though Rollo. At one stage yes, definitely, the vicar and his wife were held in respect and, more often than not, they worked together as a team with the wife often acting as the 'unpaid curate'.


Nowadays, many clergy wives are working and prefer of their own lives - not wishing to get involved in parochial matters.


It will be interesting to see how the RC church handle this - should it ever happen.


:-D :-D :-D

On a lighter note - Paddy Power the bookmakers has trimmed their odds from 40/1 into 33/1 on Cardinal Keith O'Brien from Scotland being the next Pope, I might just have a flutter ;-)

Benedict was quite liberal 30 years ago for a Cardinal. Probably the institution of the Vatican knocks that out of senior Catholic clergy. Even if they appoint the youngish Filipino to the role ( I stil think it will be Oullet, the Candian) he will be embedded into the Vatican within a short time.

Bit like Jim Hacker discussing change with Sir Humphrey.

I would like the wealth of the Vatican to be used to prop up the Italian economy and all priests rely on charitable arms from church members to survive. That would show great Christian humility - but I doubt they would be happy to lose their worldly power and wealth. We all like a bit of that in our own lives.

OneFootInTheGrave,
thank you kindly for your reply. and I agree with you entirely. :-)

well said Rollo ( I was too annoyed to be as coherent as you lol).

"JohnLovesCocoa Report 23 Feb 2013 11:14
It is in our nature to be highly sexual, hooked on drugs and other stimulants, agrressive towards our neighbours, liars, cheats etc. That is "natural" man."

WHAT? You can't honestly believe that as a believer in God surely? Either God gave us the innate 'kindness to strangers' as a given trait from Himself...in his image , or he didn't ,and we are just a bundle of hormones and unrestrained urges...frightened into 'submission' by 'self interest', prison, popes and mothers!

It is not the natural position of human beings to lie, cheat and behave badly even for English men 20-30 years of age. Still less that they need religion to adhere to some reasonable ethics.

The natural and instinctive action is love and cooperation which all anthropological research confirms.

That is how our ancestors came out of Africa.

and contraception will not be allowed