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Hi i have come to a bit of a stand still on finding a maiden name for my 4xG grandmother i was wondering if any one could help.

a bit of info for you :
her married name is Catherine/Catharine Tomlin born around 1835/1837 in Hertfordbury
she was married to a Henry Tomlin born in 1833 Hertfordshire
they had 3 children
Ellen Mary Tomlin 1860 surrey
Henry William Tomlin 1862 surrey
Alice Caroline Tomlin 1864 surrey

anything on this would be brilliant i'm not quite sure where to look now.

Thanks Kirsten

I've no idea whether this is your Henry but there is this marriage where there is a Catherine on the same page:-


Name: TOMLIN, Henry
Registration district: Chelsea
County: London
Year of registration: 1856
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 227

MarriageFinder: Henry Tomlin married one of the following people:

CRUTCH, Maria Augusta
JONES, Catherine<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
SCRIVENS, Francis Mountjoy

It looks like the children were actually born Berkshire. The birth certificate of one of them would give you Catherine's maiden name:-

Name: TOMLIN, Alice Caroline
Registration district: Windsor
County: Berkshire
Year of registration: 1865
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 396

or:-

Name: TOMLIN, Ellen Mary
Registration district: Windsor
County: Berkshire
Year of registration: 1859
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 374

or:-

Name: TOMLIN, Henry William
Registration district: Windsor
County: Berkshire
Year of registration: 1862
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 361

Kath. x

you need to buy the birth certificate

Births Jun 1865 (>99%)
TOMLIN Alice Caroline Windsor 2c 3

Marriages Mar 1863 (>99%)
BARRETT Catherine Lambeth 1d 350
GOVER Emily Lambeth 1d 350
HUXTABLE John Lambeth 1d 350
LADD James Lambeth 1d 350
TOMLIN Henry Lambeth 1d 350

More on the marriage Kath posted:

Name: Henry Tomlin - groom
Spouse Name: Catherine Janes
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Jan 1856
Parish: Chelsea Holy Trinity
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: William Tomlin - blacksmith
Spouse Father: Charles Janes - labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

Both bride and groom of Upper Chelsea. Witnesses James Morris & Francis [? ]Benning. Forename of witness Benning hard to read.

To me it looks more like Janes than Jones on the register, but could be read as either.

Henry Tomlin, "England and Wales Census, 1881"
Name: Henry Tomlin
Age (Original): 48
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1833
Birthplace: Kingston, Hertfordshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coachman Dom
Address: 35 Bower St
Event Place: Maidstone, Kent, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341221
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 928 / 66
Page Number: 40
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Henry Tomlin M 48 Kingston, Hertfordshire, England
Wife Catharine Tomlin F 46 Harting Fordbury, Hertfordshire, England
Son Henry W Tomlin M 18 Egham, Surrey, England
Daughter Alice C Tomlin F 15 Egham, Surrey, England

????????

Slightly earlier than the 1835-37 you said but...

Baptism Day: 2
Baptism Month: Mar
Baptism Year: 1834
Forenames(s): Catherine<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Surname: Jeans<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's Forename(s): Charles<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's Occupation: Labourer<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Forename(s): Sarah
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day: 02
Birth Month: Feb
Birth Year: 1834
Page: 63
Place: Hertingfordbury<<<<<<<<<<<<<
County: Hertfordshire
Record source: Hertfordshire Baptisms - Transcripts
Data provider: Hertfordshire Archives & Local Studies

I only have the Findmypast transcription and not the image so it could be Janes rather than Jones. The birth certificate of one of the children would be the best way forward.

Kath. x

Catherine Jeanes, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: Catherine Jeanes
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 02 Mar 1834
Christening Place: HERTINGFORDBURY,HERTFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Charles Jeanes
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04449-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 569735

Snap on the baptism, safc!

And father's name and occupation tally with the marriage register.

snap on baptism kutinta
????

Charles Jeans, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Charles Jeans
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Sarah Baker
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 15 Feb 1811
Event Place: Hertingfordbury,Hertford,England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M07244-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 991383
Reference ID:

Samuel Jeans

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 30 October 1814 HERTINGFORDBURY,HERTFORD,ENGLAND

father: Charles Jeans
mother: Sarah

Caroline Georgiana Jeanes

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

birth: 14 April 1818
christening: 10 May 1818 HERTINGFORDBURY,HERTFORD,ENGLAND

father: Charles Jeanes
mother: Sarah

Catherine Jeanes

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 2 March 1834 HERTINGFORDBURY,HERTFORD,ENGLAND

father: Charles Jeanes
mother: Sarah

Charles Jeans

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 5 January 1812 HERTINGFORDBURY,HERTFORD,ENGLAND

father: Charles Jeans
mother: Sarah

Robert Jeans

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 5 November 1826 HERTINGFORDBURY,HERTFORD,ENGLAND

father: Charles Jeans
mother: Sarah

William Jeans

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 14 October 1821 HERTINGFORDBURY,HERTFORD,ENGLAND

father: Charles Jeans
mother: Sarah

Frederick Jeans

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 7 September 1823 HERTINGFORDBURY,HERTFORD,ENGLAND

father: Charles Jeans
mother: Sarah

Ellen Jeans

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

birth: 17 March 1820
christening: 16 April 1820 HERTINGFORDBURY,HERTFORD,ENGLAND

father: Charles Jeans
mother: Sarah

Mary Anne Jeans

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 13 December 1812 HERTINGFORDBURY,HERTFORD,ENGLAND

father: Charles Jeans
mother: Sarah

James Jeans

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 23 June 1816 HERTINGFORDBURY,HERTFORD,ENGLAND

father: Charles Jeans
mother: Sarah

Baptisms in Surrey for Henry and Catherine's children:

Surrey, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912

Name: Ellen Mary Tomlin
Baptism Date: 15 Jul 1859
Archive Provided Parish: Egham, St John
Parish as it Appears: Egham
Father: Henry Tomlin
Mother: Catherine Tomlin
Reference Number: EG/3/3

Abode Egham. Father a Groom

Name: Henry William Tomlin
Baptism Date: 30 Jul 1862
Archive Provided Parish: Egham, St John
Parish as it Appears: Egham
Father: Henry Tomlin
Mother: Catherine Tomlin
Reference Number: EG/3/3


Abode Egham. Father a Groom

Name: Alice Caroline Tomlin
Baptism Date: 16 Jun 1865
Archive Provided Parish: Egham, St John
Parish as it Appears: Egham
Father: Henry Tomlin
Mother: Catherine Tomlin
Reference Number: EG/3/4

Abode Egham. Father a coachman.

EDIT: Apparently the registration district Windsor spans the boundaries of the counties of Berkshire and Surrey, and Egham comes under it.

Kirsten said 3 children born, but census 1861 shows a daur Henrietta.

Census 1861:

Name: Henry Tomlins
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Katherine Tomlins
Gender: Male
Where born: Heworth, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Egham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
Town: Egham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Tomlins 28 c1833 Heworth, Hertfordshire, England
Katherine Tomlins 26 c1835 Hertingfordbury, Hertfordshire, England
Henrietta Tomlins 5 c1856 Hertford, Hertfordshire, England<<<<<<<<<<
Ellen Mary Tomlins 2 c1859 Egham, Surrey, England

EDIT: Found her baptism. Although her birthdate is given as 9th Jan , a few days before her parents' marriage, on the image of the baptism register it looks more like June 9th to me. A June date would also fit better wth the 3rd qtr 1856 GRO reg also posted below:

Baptism Day: 3
Baptism Month: Aug
Baptism Year: 1856
Forenames(s): Henrietta<<<<<<<<<
Surname: Tomlyn<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's Forename(s): Henry<<<<<<<<<
Father's Occupation: Groom<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Forename(s): Catharine<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day: 09
Birth Month: Jan
Birth Year: 1856
Page: 13
Place: Little Berkhamstead
County: Hertfordshire
Record source: Hertfordshire Baptisms - Transcripts
Data provider: Hertfordshire Archives & Local Studies

Address is Newgate Street Hatfield. Father's occupation is Groom.

Births Sep 1856
Tomlin Henrietta Hatfield 3a 233
Tomlin Henrietta Hatfield 3a 253

She may have died young (Egham comes under Windsor reg district)

Deaths Jun 1866 Tomlin Henrietta 9 Windsor 2c 283

RE this possible second marriage safc posted earlier:

Marriages Mar 1863
BARRETT Catherine Lambeth 1d 350
GOVER Emily Lambeth 1d 350
HUXTABLE John Lambeth 1d 350
LADD James Lambeth 1d 350
TOMLIN Henry Lambeth 1d 350


It looks like there are 3 husbands to two brides on the page. Henry Tomlin seems to have married the missing one, and she was not a Catherine.

Name: Henry Tomlin bachelor carman
Spouse Name: Sarah Maria Giles<<<<<<<<<<
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Feb 1863
Parish: Lambeth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Henry Tomlin carman
Spouse Father: Joseph Giles carman
Register Type: Parish Register


Sarah Maria is transcribed as indexed on another page:

Marriages Mar 1863
ENNIS Mary Ann Lambeth 1D 358
GILES Sarah Maria Lambeth 1D 358 <<<<<<<<<<<<
MONK William Lambeth 1d 358

Looks like Catherine Barrett married John Huxtable:

Name: Catherine Barrett
Spouse Name: John Huxtable
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Jan 1863
Parish: Lambeth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: John Barrett
Spouse Father: John Huxtable
Register Type: Parish Register

So we can rule out that potential marriage.

This is brilliant thank you very much,

I will buy one of the children's birth certificates just to make sure. how ever this has defiantly given me some leads to work on.

Kirsten