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Male or Female?? Neither!

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LadyScozz

LadyScozz Report 2 Apr 2014 04:37

How would you "place" a person like this on your family tree?

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/04/02/13/14/norrie-wins-gender-appeal-neither-man-nor-woman

If you look at the article........... I'm as confused as you as to why heshe and friend are wearing those outfits.....

heshe? what do we use? it?

Allan

Allan Report 2 Apr 2014 07:58

I wouldn't.

Sex determination is down to the X and Y chromosomes and, unless there is some genetic defect, they determine whether you are male or female.

You can't just decide either on a whim, or for whatever other reason, to be a neuter

The term I would use is weird.

The only positive thing is that there would be no descendants to put in your tree either if they truly want to be considered neuters :-S

LadyScozz

LadyScozz Report 2 Apr 2014 08:00

strange, very strange :-S

Graham

Graham Report 2 Apr 2014 10:30

When you put somebody on your family tree on GR you have to say which gender they are. In this case you would have to choose male or female and perhaps add a note.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 2 Apr 2014 10:43

You could always record them as male, then add them again as another (female) person - or the other way round!

Many off-line programmes have the option of leaving the gender blank which is particularly useful when trans-gender first names have been used.

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maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 2 Apr 2014 19:07

It doesn't say whether Norrie was born male/female or intersex, but IMO, If someone is born intersex - with intersexuality more determined than an excess of androgen hormones, which is when the baby looks like a boy but has female chromozones - they should be able to be registered as neither or both, and left to decide for themselves what gender they will become (if any). This should make it easier for them if they wish to be one or the other when it suits them, and it should be possible for them then to have their registration changed.

There are enough people born with this condition to make it a 'separate' sex. About 1 in 100 babies are born with an intersex condition (probably the androgen hormones) and 1 in 1000 babies have an intersex condition that the medical community declares needs surgery, in order adhere to binary sex/gender ideals.
That's an awful lot of children whose futures are determined by adherence to an imposed 'norm.

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