General Chat

I agree with +++DetEcTive+++ that in the last General Election voters who were disillusioned with Labour and Conservatives voted for the Liberal Democrats.

In the recent European & Local Elections, voters who were disillusioned with the current government's policies and the opposition's policies, voted for UKIP, and Europe was not the only reason they did this.

The trouble with politics today is that politicians, from all three of the main parties, Conservative, Labour, and Liberal Democrats, have managed to change the role of a politician, from politicians being there to serve the people - to the people being there to serve politicians :-S a situation that has to be reversed, alas I don't see that happening when I look at the current options on the menu :-(

Farrage has already said that he won't form an alliance with the French National Front, thank goodness. Now they are scary!

As at least 75% of the Europe wide votes went to non-Euro-septic parties, not a lot will change. However, the results have made the individual democratically elected national governments realise that not everyone agrees with all of the EU policies which effect their daily lives.

None of our 3 main parties will consider a conciliation with Ukip. Thankfully they are unlikely to have enough MPs to form a Government.........as long as the main parties have a serious think!

After the first war the German people were uneasy because they had been landed with reparation which would have kept them in debt for seventy odd years. They did have a particularly fair government with proportional representation which would have almost guaranteed a stable country had they not been uneasy.

The new National Socialist party focussed particularly upon that unease and built upon it.

Please be careful.

One of their policies is to have smoking rooms in pubs.

This is under their HEALTH policy. :-0

REALLY???

With all the medical evidence which states passive smoking is bad for ones health. Wouldn't this encourage more smoke related illness's/conditions to worsen putting pressure on the already stretched NHS?

What about the poor staff forced to work in these rooms, risking their own health so people can light up inside?

This smacks of a policy created to get the smoking joe public back on side, using what is already a sore subject for smokers.

Agree with you about the Child Benefit - I'd also say that the children need to live in the UK, not Europe or anywhere else in the world. That should apply to ex-pat Brits as well!

lolol careful people will talk!

I know I am being simplistic before someone points it out :-P

The UK's infrastructure cannot support the current population......schools struggling with pupils who don't speak English, medical services using too much of their budgets to provide interpreters and printing leaflets in countless languages. The money is being found from somewhere......libraries and day centres are closing, free bus services are being cut in rural areas etc., etc.

I don't believe you can just say 'stop all immigration' without justifying the statement.

I'd personally only pay child benefit for the first 2 children, if you want any more than that you fund the child yourself!

Edit: I made my feeling about EU directives perfectly clear on another thread!

The EU only exists to give politicians and bureaucrats an even greater income. We can quite easily run our own affairs without being told how to live our lives by people in Europe. The EU does not look after the interests of ordinary working people. It is a system that exists purely as a means for useless politicians to sponge money from the people that need it most.

"No mention of how it will be funded"

That tends to be the problem with all parties in Opposition. Until they are invited to form a Government, they don't know the true state of 'The Books'.

In the last GE, there was a surge of support for the LibDems, in my opinion because the electorate were disillusioned with both Conservative and Labour. By and large, Ukip is a one policy party - withdrawal from the EU. Those that voted for them didn't really think about the advantages that EU membership bring us in terms of trade etc, but only the negative side as set out in their flyers.

From their pinnacles of power and influence, the main 3 parties have forgotten to listen to, or persuade otherwise, the man and women on the street. They have a tendency to 'talk down to' rather than 'talk with' non party activists.

Interesting. No mention of how it will be funded, however.

Stopping immigration tomorrow would still leave us with a desperate housing shortage.

Travellers don't get preferential treatment for housing - they don't want it - they want sites. I thought UKIP would have known that.

I did hear Farage say he was going to have to have some policies now on election night.

Edit to say I cross posted with Sue, with whom I appear to agree again!

We are an overcrowded Island, we need to curb immigration and stop all these poor babies being born to teenagers who then live on benefits and acquire housing because they shove themselves up the housing waiting ladder unfairly.

Those two remedies will provide something towards a cure.

However, UKIP will only serve to light a fire under the lazy backsides currently in power and their opposition which is no bad thing.

IDS slides new rules through on the quiet and genuinely disabled and deserving claimants get shafted!

Allocate x £millions for new social housing, therefore employ people and house the deserving. Stop developers buying up building sites and leaving them empty as they are just speculating on a huge profit when the economic climate is right.

Stop councils wasting £millions every year on purchasing from the most expensive suppliers or buying tech equipment and never using it.

Do NOT give authority to waste money on reprogramming/redesigning multi user systems that will fail or are shelved before completed.

I'll let you know when I am standing for my own independent party

;-)

http://tinyurl.com/m5ppsg9

Ukip 2014 Manifesto

Environment, Planning and Housing: Reduce the pressure on housing by
ending open-door immigration. Oppose the bedroom tax, but provide incentives
to re-use empty homes. Protect our green spaces by directing new housing and
business developments to brown-field sites. Stop preferential treatment to special
groups such as travellers - rules should apply equally to us all.

What do they say they'll deliver? I've yet to see any policy documents. What are their policies on social housing, for example?

my opinions is i think UKIP should be given a chance to prove them self
and i don't believe that UIPK got protest votes i think people are believing in them
to deliver in what they say they are going to do.
if they don't deliver people just want vote for them next time

Still interested to hear what rights people want that they don't already have.

agree with 99% with what you have said Dizzi - UKIP are a necessary wake up call to the other parties - pull your fingers out and do something for the UK - UKIP will never get any power in the long run

Agree with Dizzi:)

I should of added that to my post too as we are all entitled to our own opinions. :-)

AS I SAID THIS IS MY OPINION,

I agree with Dizzi too.

I'm Joe Public as well and I disagree totally. It was a protest vote.

If the Tories allowed councils to start building council houses again then there would be more housing. Nothing to do with Europe, just that Tories don't like social housing.

I have plenty of rights, already and I'm glad we have the court of human rights in Europe to uphold them. What rights do you want?

If people pay tax and National Insurance in the UK they are entitled to the benefits that brings. Don't have a pop at ordinary working people, look to those who avoid/evade paying taxes. Gary Barlow, I'm looking at you.