General Chat

How many alledged victims are going to expose themselves to ridicule at a public enquiry? It's different doing so in an open court trial where they have the chance of obtaining Justice.

Again, politicians and other 'worthies' shouldn't be ordered to attend just because .'he said' she said'. Mud sticks to the innocent as well as the guilty.

By all means try and work out the chain of evidence and what happened to the missing files, but don't name those accused in them........unless the police and CPS think there is a case to answer.

The Madness of Mammon, by Anthony Cronin:

"The sins of the rulers shall be visited on the people, forever and ever. The poorer we are, the more honest we're required to be."

The possibility of a major cover up increases, as it has been reported that in a letter yesterday, to the Chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee, the Permanent Secretary at the Home Office, detailed how the review in 2013 established that 114 "potentially relevant files" had either been lost or destroyed.

It has also been reported that, the Permanent Secretary at the Home Office has written to the Prime Minister to inform him of the plans to appoint a senior independent legal figure to make sure the conclusions of an "internal" investigation carried out last year "remain sound" and "valid".

I am wondering what they mean by a "senior legal figure" - do they mean a senior Queen's Counsel (maybe a member of some rich boy's club) or do they mean a senior judge?

Sorry Mr Cameron, this review of a review, is not good enough, the only way we will get anywhere near, the truth, is from public enquiry headed by a senior judge, with evidence taken under oath from all those involved - including politicians past & present, and the victims of these alleged crimes.

supercrutch - i think you are right, the only guilty MPs and Lords will probably be dead ones.

I think that throughout all these investigations, David Cameron the Prime Minister, needs to be constantly reminded of what he said, when he was asked what he thought about the jailing in the hacking trial, of his former Director of Communications Andy Coulson - David Cameron said:-

"What it says is that it's right that justice should be done and that no one is above the law - as I have always said."

There again, as we have seen, in respect of the former Home Secretary Leon Brittan, politicians memories leave much to be desired ;-)

I heard someone say that a lack of trust in politicians is good for democracy. Still not too sure what that means.

Ordinary people are paying heavily for having too much trust in those who control the political & financial institutions.

And as far as some tabloids are concerned, their prerogative to entertain has superseded that to inform with comments indistinguishable from news & fact indistinguishable from conjecture simply to create eye-catching blockbuster headlines.

There is only so long the truth can be hidden. Eventually it will break through & explode - provided the evidence is not 'mislaid'.

The cover up went to the highest level and the fox was put in charge of the chicken coop so I cannot foresee the investigation either actually being enforced or thorough.

They may fudge something in order to appease the ministers pushing for information and those of us who are disgusted at the alleged terrible abuse that occurred. To procure children from council run homes to satisfy these vile proclivities is truly one of the worst scandals in the last century.

Super Injunctions stop the press from naming certain high profile people and it's interesting to research which countries do not have extradition treaties with the UK, Barbados being one of them! In no way am I saying that the celebrity who changed his affiliation to Barbados was involved in child abuse but his alleged activities are enough to ruin his public reputation.

Therefore with the prior intervention of the secret security services in the UK with regard to contemporaneous files - the only guilty MPs and Lords will be dead ones!

This story grows bigger by the day as the names of more than ten MPs and peers, some of them reportedly still in Westminster, are on a list of child abusers held by police, it was claimed last night.

Peter McKelvie, a former child protection worker who passed information to the MP Tom Watson, has said “I believe there are sufficient grounds to carry out a formal investigation into allegations of up to 20 MPs and Lords over the last three to four decades, some still alive and some dead. The list is there,” he was quoted as saying in the Daily Telegraph.

It has also been reported that The Home Office held an independent review last year into how it handled the documents, after concerns were raised in Parliament. A letter from Lord Brittan to Mr Dickens was found during the review, saying that the allegations had been acted on.

The review concluded that the "credible" elements of the dossier which had "realistic potential" for further investigation were passed to prosecutors and the police, while other elements were either "not retained or destroyed".

The Home Office Select Committee is looking into this, the Prime Minister David Cameron has asked a senior civil servant to "find answers" about the missing dossier, the Metropolitan Police are currently investigating allegations of child sexual abuse at a Guest House in south-west London, where parties involving MPs and other members of the establishment are alleged to have taken place.

Can we really trust any of them to find out the truth, to make their findings public, including naming anyone accused of being involved in the sexual abuse of young people, and to bring them before a court of law - I don't think so, do you?

This was about the time the Paedophile Information Exchange was trying to get some sort of approval for their behaviour.

Before this I believe that it was believed to be a very occasional occurence that did not warrant any sort of investigation.

This could be the biggest political sex scandal since the scandal involving John Profumo, the Secretary of State for War, in 1961.

This alleged scandal appears to have been covered up at the highest level of government. It alleges that politicians and those who frequented the corridors of power, were involved in the sexual abuse of young people.

Former Home Secretary Leon Brittan, now sitting in the House of Lords as Lord Brittan of Spennithorne, has admitted, that when he was Home Secretary he received a dossier on an alleged Westminster paedophile network, from the late MP Geoffrey Dickens, during a meeting with him.

In a statement issued through his lawyers he said, that, following the meeting, he asked his officials to look carefully at the material contained in the papers provided and report back to him if they considered that any action needed to be taken by the Home Office.

He went on to say, he did not recall being contacted further about this matter by Home Office officials or by Mr Dickens or by anyone else.

Apart from what Leon Brittan cannot recall, it has been reported that the dossier has been lost, how convenient is that. The dossier obviously existed, and now, despite the Home Office having said, that a review in 2013 concluded that the matter had been dealt with properly - it is being reported that the Home Office is now investigating, what happened to it, and what actions if any, were taken in regards to the allegations it contained.

The question is - will we ever get to know the truth, especially with a general election only eleven months away.