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thanks Kay

Gender: Male
Christening Date: 03 Nov 1799
Christening Place: , ABBEY (PAISLEY), RENFREW, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 22 Oct 1799
Father's Name: Robert Swan
Mother's Name: Jean Blackburn Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11958-1 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1041088 , Reference ID: 2:17KL0LG

??possible,with naming pattern.

that makes sense Jax, as on other branches of the tree the same names keep coming up

They have a naming pattern in Scotland.... Does this fit with any of the births you have found
First Son is named for the Father's Father
Second Son is named for the Mothers Father
Third Son is named for the Father's Grandfather, Fraternal
Fourth Son is named for the Mothers Grandfather, Maternal
Fifth Son is named for the Fathers Grandfather, Maternal
Sixth Son is named for the Mothers Grandfather, Fraternal
Seventh thru tenth Sons are named for the Fathers Great Grandfathers
Tenth thru Fourteenth Sons for the Mothers Great Grandfathers

First Daughter is named for the Mothers mother
Second Daughter is named for the Fathers Mother, Maternal
Third Daughter is named for the Mothers Grandmother, Fraternal
Fourth Daughter is named for the Fathers Grandmother, Fraternal
Fifth Daughter is named for the Mothers Grandmother, Maternal
Sixth Daughter is named for the Fathers Grandmother
Seventh thru tenth Daughter are named for the Mothers, Maternal Great Grandmothers
Tenth Thru fourteenth Daughter for the Fathers Great Grandmothers

good idea Gwynn

Ah......I'm not sure how Scottish records work, but original parish records in England for that date do list witnesses.

What about Banns?
They list someone's place of abode, which may or may not be the birthplace.

Gwyn

Robert married a Helen Hamilton on 9th July 1858 in Glasgow, his dad John's occupation was a baker and Robert's occupation a journeyman tailor ( address was 130 Holm Street Glasgow). Witnesses for Robert's marriage were Robert Meikle and Mary McNab, but there are no witness names listed for John's marriage. Spelling for the surname's had changed from Swan to Swaney by 1858. Thanks to everyone for info

Who did Robert marry and what was his occupation and address at the time? What was John's occupation from the marriage cert?

What about this one?
about John Swan

Name:John Swan - Baker
Age:30
Estimated birth year:abt 1811
Gender:Male
Where born:Renfrewshire, Scotland
Civil Parish:Paisley High
County:Renfrewshire
Address:Wellmeadow No 3
Occupation:Baker
Parish Number:573
Household Members:
John Swan 30
Mirren Swan 30
John Swan 12
Daniel Swan 9
Robt Swan 4
George Swan 9 Mo

Usually early C19 marriages with this problem can be worked out from a later census. This is the best one I can find to fit yr data. Scottish spellings tend to be somewhat erratic. There are a lot of church ( Presbyterian, R.C., ) which the FH companies have not got hold of yet. As well as BMD records rent books have many a tale to tell but you need to know who the landlord was.


Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910 about John Swan
Name: John Swan
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 9 Mar 1826
Marriage Place: High Church,Paisley,Renfrew,Scotland
Spouse: Marion Robertson
FHL Film Number: 1041283

1841 Scotland Census about John Swan
Name: John Swan
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Hamilton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Townhead
Occupation: M S
Parish Number: 647
Household Members:
Name Age
Marion Swan 80
Mary Swan 77
Catharine Swan 70
Marion Swan 35
Janet Young 25
Elizabeth Swan 22
John Swan 50
Marion Swan 15
John Swan 10

Are there witness names please?

These may help link John to a particular family.

Gwyn

thanks for the info Ann

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Name: John Swaney
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1851
Gender: Male
Age: 38
Birthplace: Ayr
Registration District: Tradeston
County: Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated): 1813
GS Film number: 1042463

John's surname was spelled as Swaney on his son's marriage certificate in 1858

My 4 x great grandad's name was John Swan, who married Marion Robertson on the 9th March 1826 in Paisley ( parish is listed as Paisley High on the certificate ). His son was Robert Swaney who was born around 1836 in I'm guessing Paisley( he married in 1858 in Glasgow, his age was listed as being 22 at time of marriage ) - by the time my great grandad was born in 1891 the spelling of he surname had changed to Sweeney.

message sent to Sarah to return with some info

What you will have is not a marriage cert (Civil Registration in Scotland did not start until 1855) it will be a parish record. If he died in Scotland after 1855, his death entry will give his parents' names.

Please could you give us the details of your grandparent who was his child? (DOB and POB).

let us have details and we'll see if we can help you

Annx

I have the marriage certificate for my 4 x great grandad from 1826. as it doesn't give the names of his parents, how do I find out exactly what year he was born? I'm guessing that as he married in Paisley, this is where he would have been born. I've found 3 people of the same name born between 1799 and 1803, but I don't know what one is him