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I know heartbreaking what my Grandparents went through & many more like them. I have also got the Death certs for two more of their Children Millie aged 3 & Agnes age 8. Will let you know re Stanley Marje

Poor little mite..........5 days after his baptism.

Thank you for getting back to us on that one Marje.

:-)

Hi 'Prickles' I have received the Birth & Death certificates for Charles He died 26th July 1904 (born on the 11th) cause of death being described as Cardiac flatulence ?? I await cert. for Stanley.. Wondering if the cause of death was similar Thanks again Marje

Let us know how you get on with the certificates Marje.

Prickles. x

Thank you all... I now know that Charles & Stanley were twins Born 11th July 1904 Thanks to Holly I now also know they survived until their baptism on 21st July 1904 Thank you Holly for clearing up the problem of not finding Stanley under Rayner ...now Raynor I will apply for death certificates.. Thank you all for trying on my behalf Marje

If they died in their 1st. year.. Could this be them ?

Deaths.freeBMD

Mar..Q.1905
Rayner Stanley 0 Penrith 10b 338

Sep.Q.1905
Rayner Charles 1 Barrow F. 8e 483

Going back to this death record.......


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Stanley Rayner Name:Stanley Rayner
Estimated birth year:abt 1905
Registration Year:1909
Registration Quarter:Apr-May-Jun <<<<<<<<
Age at Death:4
Registration district:Prestwich
Inferred County:Lancashire
Volume:8d
Page:286

This death was registered in the 1st quarter of 1909.

As your Stanley was born July 1904........age 4 does seem to fit.

There is not an appropriate birth in 1905 to match this death.

Are you certain that they both died the same year they were born??

Res: 34 Euclid Street <<<<<<<


1901 England Census
about Fairburn Rayner Name:Fairburn Rayner
Age:23
Estimated birth year:abt 1878
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Spouse:Martha Rayner
Birth Place:Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:North Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish:Beswick and Bradford Christchurch
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England

Household Members:

Fairburn Rayner 23 (Wire Drawer)
Martha Rayner 23
Harry Rayner 2
Fairburn Rayner 8 Months



1911 England Census
about Thomas Fairburn Rayner Name:Thomas Fairburn Rayner
Age in 1911:33
Estimated birth year:abt 1878
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:North Manchester
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street address:34 Euclid Street Beswick Manchester
Marital Status:Married
Occupation:Wire Drawer
Registration district:Prestwich

Household Members:

Thomas Fairburn Rayner 33
Martha Rayner 32
Harry Rayner 12
Fairburn Rayner 10
Aurther Rayner 8
Doris Rayner 6
Jessie Rayner 1/12

(8 children born.....5 living)

Record Transcription
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England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
First Name CHARLES
Last Name RAYNER
Gender Male
Year 1904
Birth Year 1904
Birth Month
Birth Day
District PRESTWICH
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8D
Event Quarter 3
District Number
Page 245
Line Number 195
Entry Number
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
DOR
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Collections from Great Britain

I'm not sure if the dates talley with this one...


Record Transcription
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England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
First Name STANLEY
Last Name RAYNER
Gender Male
Year 1909
Birth Year 1905
Birth Month
Birth Day
District PRESTWICH
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8D
Event Quarter 2
District Number
Page 286
Line Number 169
Entry Number
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
DOR
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Collections from Great Britain

Ok......they were definitely twins then........

Mistranscribed as "Raynor" on their baptism records.......

Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
about Charles Raynor Name:Charles Raynor
Baptism Date:20 Jul 1904 Parish:<<<<<21 Jul on the image
Bradford, Christ Church
Parish as it Appears:Bradford
Father's Name:Fariburn Raynor (Wire Drawer)
Res: 34 Euclid Street <<<<<<<<
Mother's name:Martha Raynor
Reference Number:
GB127.M190/1/1/10

Stanley is on the same page with the same details.

Name:Stanley Raynor
Gender:Male
Baptism Date:21 Jul 1904
Baptism Place:Christ Church, Bradford, Lancashire, England
Father:Fairburn Raynor
Mother:Martha Raynor

Hi Holly Yes the parents were Thomas Fairburn & Martha (nee Pilling) That was their marriage ... Marje

Hi Holly Thank you for replying .. The Father (my Grandfather) was Fairburn Rayner I have the birth Certificate for Charles.. Would really like the Death Certificates for both boys.. I have knowledge that they died the same year as their birth... Thanks anyone Marje

Hi Marje

Who was the Father of your Charles and Stanley??

Might this be the parents marriage...

??
Marriages Sep 1898 (>99%)
Pilling Martha Manchester 8d 404
RAYNER Thomas Fairburn Manchester 8d 404

Did the boys survive infancy??

??

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Charles Rayner Name:Charles Rayner
Estimated birth year:abt 1904
Registration Year:1904
Registration Quarter:Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death:0
Registration district:Prestwich
Inferred County:Lancashire
Volume:8d
Page:245

Oh dear found this as well as the birth.

Name: Stanley Rayner

Estimated birth year: abt 1905

Registration Year: 1909

Registration Quarter:
Apr-May-Jun

Age at Death:
4

Registration district:
Prestwich

Parishes for this Registration District:
View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District

Inferred County:
Lancashire
Volume:
8d

Page:
286

From Freebmd.........

Births Sep 1904 (>99%)
Rayner Charles Prestwich 8d 340
Rayner Stanley Prestwich 8d 340

I think you`re right Kay they are both showing in my results. both got same numbers 8d 340 Prestwich. So I would think they are twins.

Marji,

Just enter,,,RAYNER ,1904.exact year then scoll through ,,,,,Stanley is showing,,,,,,,,,,,.it maybe the site throwing a wobble,,,,,,,,

You wont know if Stanley is a twin unless you buy the certificate or have knowledge,but if you have Charles birth certificate it will have a time of birth on it.

I have details of a baby Stanley born to my Grandmother Martha Rayner babies date of birth 1904. Showing quite clearly on the original record which I have just read as 8d 340 July Aug Sept quarter. I am getting NO RESULTS FOUND when checking with you.. I have certificate for his Twin Charles( I am assuming that is true) who has all the same details... ie.born 11 July 1904. Can any one help I have names of Mother & Father plus Mothers maiden name.. Thank You Marje Squire