General Chat

On the other hand,
IF the boy had come to some real harm,

what would the consensus be, if the police and others had done nothing?

I think that they went over the top, but they really HAD to take some action.....

as was said earlier,

damned if they do, and damned if they dont

There have been some developments about the little Ashya situation:-

The first is that Ashya's brother Danny visited him twice yesterday and also this morning a hospital spokeswoman told ITV News. The hospital spokeswoman also said that a police officer is present in Ashya's room at all times.

The second is that the Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg told Good Morning Britain "the full force of the law" should not have been thrown at the parents of Ashya King and called for the family to be reunited.

The development is that the Conservative MP Tim Loughton has said that by the end of today the CPS needs to have dropped the case and that Hampshire Police need to apologise and work out how they ever got in this mess in the first place. He added that the NHS needs to offer to fly back the family and provide the proton treatment at the one clinic in the UK that offers this or - facilitate the treatment at the specialist hospital in the Czech Republic. He also said that the Health Secretary and the Home Secretary need to bang some bureaucratic heads together.

Tthe parents of little Ashya have spent another night in a Spanish jail, while Ashya has spent another night without the comfort and love of his parents,in a Spanish hospital with armed police guarding him, .

Many reports are saying that the reason the UK authorities took action against Ashya's parents was because the authorities believed that, by taking Ashya out of Southampton General Hospital, his parents were neglecting the care that Ashya needed.

Neglecting the care that Ashya needs - I would question who is actually neglecting Ashya's needs, in my view it is the authorities, every step they have taken has been the wrong step, the the authorities have dug themselves into a hole and as each day passes they are digging themselves in deeper to try and justify their actions.

They should stop digging because their actions to date have resulted in Ashya's needs being neglected, not only are their actions denying Ashya the chance of an alternative treatment, they are also denying him the love ant attention of his parents - that to me is the real tale of neglect in this whole sad affair.

I just hope the Spanish judge throws out the European Arrest Warrant and allows Ashya to be back with his family and that his parents can get Ashya the treatment that may prolong his life - today would not be soon enough.

Allan, I was saying that if it would mean the parents could be with their son, then they wouldn't mind a police guard on his room in Spain, not the hospitals are prisons, but there is a guard on the little boy now apparently even tho his parents are locked up and his family not allowed to see him. His brother who keeps posting messages to Ashya and about him, said the eldest brother went to try and visit him and wasn't allowed in. Also someone from the family, I think it was the grandmother, said Ashya doesn't understand Spanish so must be terribly frightened. Poor little mite. All that precious time and comfort lost between son and family.

How cruel and unfeeling the authorities must be to even contemplate stopping the family from being together. The doctor who authorised the Wardship should be ashamed of himself and all those police etc involved in what they have done should feel guilty that they have made this little lad's life even more difficult than before. I hope commensense soon prevails and the family can be together and better treatment taken up for Ashya.

Bless his little heart.

Lizx

Bob - I didn't put his full name because I couldn't remember where the "Y" went.

Now that I know (thanks Bob).

Thinking of you little Ashya and all your family.

yeah we all do it I think, type it, send it, and not often proof read it before hand...
me included......

not only you, Jan.......

Sorry Bob - I have no excuse for spelling mistake, except I was doing it from memory, and should have checked. :-)

I am disturbed about this case and I do, and I'm sure you all have sympathy for this lad and his family but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get his name right.



It's ASHYA..

Bob
thanks Ann, I see that the op is now correct...

I am very disturbed and upset about the treatment of Aysha King's parents and family, and the fact that now, poor little Aysha is in a hospital without his family being allowed to see him.

I watched a video of Aysha's father, Brett King, explaining why they took him from the hospital. After watching the video, I am fully in support of the parents. The father has actually said that one of the Drs told him that if he didn't stop asking him questions, then he would get a court order (or child protection order) which would prevent the parents from seeing him - as we know that has already happened with them been arrested. I think that is an awful attitude of the Dr - its more or less blackmail by the drs.

The video has been edited and cut in parts by the media, so their older son who is 20, has put the full version on youtube.
Have a watch of it and see what you all think.

This is the video of what the Father says.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ETQn9ZPwk

This is ASHYA'S brother, Naveed King
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYSKyY12LEg

These are Naveed King's updates on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/user/NaveedKingvlogs

This is such a tragic story.This little boy needs his Mummy and Daddy with him RIGHT NOW.

Re my comment of yesterday about hospital staff having no cause to worry till family and child had been off the ward for two hours.

I should have said 2 + hours.

With changes of staff perhaps they didn't even notice how long A. had been gone.

As staff eventually started to get concerned, they would surley phone parents on mobile or home phone, check with other members of staff (now off duty), check other areas of the hospital, give parents another few minutes etc etc. before contacting the police.

This would all mount up. There is a POSSIBILITY too, that some staff members had no problem with the thought that the parents had taken their child away from the hospital.

It still seems all wrong to me that the parents are still under arrest and being kept away from their child (i.e. the child is being kept away from his parents).

This seems to me to be the greatest infringement of the childs rights.

I hope common sense will prevail.

so Southampton hospital were aware of their intentions

The Czech clinic were contacted by the father on August 20th. They contacted Southampton hospital for medical details about the child. There was no reply.

They said they are happy to see him and possibly treat him if he's a suitable candidate. They have treated children before.

Why didnt they tell the hospital he wanted to take their son home,,then seek the treatment they so desperately is wanting for their son,,,,,,they would have been free to make choices,instead of the situation him and his wife are in now,such a sad affair for all the family...and like a parent any chance is better than no chance when their child is involved..

The authorities Uk and Spanish are callous in their actions to deprive that little boy his loving parents and siblings.......

thank you OFITG

Hayley Empress of Drama - it was reported that his parents were Jehovah's Witnesses, however in all of the reports I have seen (because of my my interest in legal matters I have been following this incident closely) all of those reports say that this had not been an issue in regards to the treatment he had been receiving.

As to why the police got involved in the manner they did, suffice to say, don't get me started on the over the top approach police forces have have used in the past to dealt with various issues.

As an earlier post said, the police are damned if they do act and damned if they don't act, in saying that I am not saying that they should not have acted, a complaint was made, presumably by the hospital, the police were duty bound to look into it, they looked into it and passed their finding to the Crown Prosecution Service who issued a European Arrest Warrant - from then on the whole thing went pear-shaped and one could be excused for thinking the police were hunting a gang of dangerous criminals.

I believe the way the police dealt with is issue was neither a proportionate or compassionate response - to the actions that were taken by Aysha's parents. His parents have been arrested, handcuffed, and dragged before a Spanish judge, and are currently being held in a Spanish jail, the result is that we now have a seriously ill child separated from those he needs to have beside him at this time, he is in a strange hospital bed being looked after by strangers - that to me is tragic and heartbreaking for Aysha and his family :-(

I agree there is more to this than meets the eye the hosiptal has duty of care to patient and so do his parents I understood it that the parents refused treatment for the child as they are JW or am I getting mixed up with someone else?

I heard someone say that it's not really recommended for use on children. I haven't researched why not.

TBH we all know how long it takes for a panel to decide whether a patient can travel abroad for treatment. My friend gave up and paid for her own travel costs and treatment for a joint replacement as she was waiting for 18 months!

I would agree that Ashya's parents took him out of the hospital before they could make him a ward of court. Once that happens they have no say in his care. Although I would have thought that his consultant could have shown enough understanding and compassion to let them go and supply the medical equipment they would need for the car journey. They were leaving AMA so the hospital couldn't be held accountable for anything that went disastrously wrong.

Now one thing that does surprise me is that their local Kingdom Hall didn't arrange for funds to be made available for the treatment.

Anyhow I hope Ashya gets the treatment he needs and it's successful.

I have just been reading about Proton Beam treatment for cancer.

It's weird that the NHS uses it in Brtain at The Clatterbridge Centre for Cancer NHS Foundation Trust in the Wirral Merseyside which treats eye cancer with Proton Beam.

Also the paper (Yorkshire Evening Post) says quote """ Patients can also access proton beam therapy abroad through NHS Funding.
They must be assessed by a panel who may decide patients are not suitable if there will be no clinical benefit from the treatment.NHS England says""""

So why oh Why didn't the Oncologist suggest to the parents to send Ayasha abroad for the treatment.