General Chat

Have you come across any ????????
in your trees

it was a long hard job years ago
was it a common occupation
and could just anybody do it ;-) ;-) ;-)

yes, it was common


and nope ......................... to be called a MASTER baker, one had to do an apprenticeship, just any other trade had to do.



OH has several ancestors who became confectioners from about 1880 ...... the last of them died in 1938, having worked in Liverpool with her sister until the sister died


They all seemed to be women ................. but the two sisters certainly had apprentices on the 1901 and 1911 censuses. I haven't uncovered where they did their training.

THANK YOU SYLVIA
I have found one and was interested

as he started Fox's biscuits :-D :-D

We have Master various other things, but not Bakers.

I get the impression that to be a Master, they had to serve an apprentiship under another Master. After that they became a Journeyman.[added for 7 years?] Only when they had their own establishment and took on Apprentices of their own did they become Masters.

Bread making before industrialisation was a pretty gruelling task - Bread is a British staple, so there were probably quite a few Masters in each town as well as those who just set themselves up as Bakers without the formal training.

Yes Joy...my great grandfather and his father :-D :-D

thank you girls x

The company was founded in 1853, by Michael Spedding, who worked from his small bake house in Batley making "eatables" to sell at feasts and fairs held throughout the north of England. His daughter Hannah provided the name for the company, after she married Fred Ellis Fox in the late 1800s.( stolen from another site)

no common ginger nuts in our family ;-) ;-) ;-)

I think, and I could very well be wrong, that to become a master, you not only had to have served an apprenticeship yourself but to have also trained an apprentice.

You can still become a Master Baker over here .............. and I would assume in the UK as well


The regulations to become a Journeyman Baker and then a Master Baker under the US Registration are ...............


To become a Certified Journey Baker (CJB) applicants must: Have four years of experience, and pass a written exam.


To become a Certified Master Baker (CMB), applicants must: Have eight years of experience, pass a written exam, and pass a practical baking test.




I can't find anything about the regulations in the 19th century or earlier ............ but presumably, they would be similar.

bits and pieces ................


from a posting on Rootschat ..............


a baker would have involved an apprenticeship in the 19th century. The bakers had a London Livery Company which had apprentice bindings up 1860, but it is much more likely that apprenticeships outside London would be controlled by the local guildhall. The London records will be in the Guildhall library.


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from http://www.bakersfederation.org.uk/the-bread-industry/history-of-bread/industrial-age.html

1887

The National Association of Master Bakers was formed.

thank you Sylvia and folks
I will be looking in this more :-D :-D

I have mentioned this before, but in a different context. I have the Last Will and Testament of one John Pringle, Baker. His premises were at 8, St. Agnes Terrace, Tabernacle Walk, Shoreditch. I can find no relationship to my family, but there must be a connection as I also have his, his wife Kate's ,and niece Mary Ann's funeral cards, the receipt for Mary Ann's funeral, and a business card of his nephew George's, a "beer engine maker and pewterer". Sorry to go on a bit. All because someone asked about Master Bakers. Bob

Oh yes, and a his membership card for the National Anti-Corn Law League.

Go on as much as you like Bob
I Am finding this really interesting

and I love hearing about other peoples trees :-D :-D :-D

I came across a marriage in my tree recently.

One of my rellies married Mr Paterson ( Master Baker)
His father was the original master baker in Rutherglen, Lanarkshire who created Paterson's Oatcakes.

I love oat cakes Ross :-D :-D :-D