General Chat

Well that's a coincidence Joy! :-D :-D :-D

Raby Castle is the private home of Lord Barnard...

... and of course ANEURIN BARNARD played RICHARD III in The White Queen :-D


Oh! ...and he's Welsh ;-) :-D

I have often been to Raby Castle
I think its one of the only castles left
that you drive the horse drawn carriages
into the great hall and out the other side

Lord Barnard is still living there
He walked through the Great hall when I was there one time

There are some stunning photos of it on Google Images!

I love Castles :-)

Baby Satan does too
we try to visit some every year
even if they are just little ones

Dover castles is one of my Favourites and Pembroke too

This is the view across the estuary from the village that I grew up in.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/antofa/4902946432/in/gallery-bill7718-72157623312699192/

Stunning photography!

Yes there is a theory about Margaret Beaufort, but if she was instrumental in the Princes death, then surely her son Henry V11 would have been aware of it which doesn't explain why he was so paranoid about Perkin Warbeck, as he would have known that he couldn't have been Richard of Shrewsbury (Duke of York). Mind you Perkin was very plausible, so perhaps Henry feared a popular uprising in his favour regardless of what he really knew. Who knows? It's all fascinating!

wouldn't it be interesting if Perkins body could be located
and DNA tests done :-D :-D

Yes that WOULD be interesting!! Perkin would only have to have been familiar with about six years of English court life which probably wasn't that difficult as young Richard 'died' when he was 10, and he couldn't have been expected to remember anything substantial before the age of 4. Edward spent most of his time at Ludlow, and Richard most of his in London, so the two boys didn't know each other that well. There is a thought that their mother substituted another boy for Richard, in which case the real Prince would have been spirited away!! Fanciful probably, but who knows?!! Maybe this thought was in Henry V11 th's mind when Perkin appeared.

and Josephine Tey did the Perkin Warbeck story too ... Brat Farrar :-D

I've read Josehine Tey, but I'm not convinced, not at all ! I think it inconceivable that Richard was completely unaware of the Prince's fate. He was ruthless in his dealings with Earl Rivers and Lord Hastings, both Edward Vth's supporters and powerful enough to block Richard's path to the throne. They were removed with indecent haste, pre planned?!!

It was a cruel world then
people did what they had to do to survive even a King :-( :-(

Yes, medieval England was a pretty scary place!

There's a pub in Taunton called the Perkin Warbeck. That's a pretty scary place now. :-)

Why now in particular?!

I think Graham was making a joke :-D

England was a pretty scary place in medieval days ... the pub is a pretty scary place now


btw, I wasn't referring again to The Daughter of Time in my last post

Josephine Tey also wrote a very famous novel whose plot is based on the Perkin Warbeck story although the circumstances of the story are different ... title of the novel is Brat Farrar