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Before voting in the forthcoming EU Referendum, the British Public should ask themselves the following questions :-
Do we wish to be governed by an Unaccountable, Unelected, Left Wing Quango, run by Faceless Bureaucrats in Brussels, ( Auditors have refused to sign off the accounts for the last 12 years due to fraud, 6billion is the figure quoted for the last Audit) who will ride rough shod over any EU country that stands in its way, in order to achieve its goal of ultimate power over all member states, or, do we wish to be governed by our own elected Parliament, warts and all.
Do we want to continue to pay to this organisation billions every year, for what, when we could go back to the original aim, a Common Market, not an EU Government. From 1979 to 2010 we have paid into the EU £228 billion and received back from them £143 billion, the difference being £85 billion, has it been worth it?
Do we wish to continue an open door policy on immigration, or, do we wish to decide who comes to live, and work in this country, the argument that 2.5 million Britons live in Europe may be right, but, they do not all live in one country, the highest number being in Spain, 760,000, unlike the estimated 5 million which have come to the UK,, since 1997, and it is predicted this will rise by a further 9 million in the next 25 years. Is it any wonder therefore that our public services are under threat, Housing, NHS, Schools, Police.
Do we wish to continue with a flawed Human Rights Act, that only focuses on the rights of the criminals, rather than on the rights of the victims, it is ironic that the only ones who can afford in the main, to bring cases under this Act, is the criminals, why, because we the tax payer foot the bill.
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Nothing much.
Most of the "out" movement concede that the UK would have to enter into an association / trade agreement similar to that for Norway. The Norway agreement demands that around 70% of EU law is implemented in Norway. The EU just fax it to them there is no discussion. That especially includes freedom of movement so all the Polish plumbers, French chefs and bankers etc etc would just go on as before.
All in all a "brexit" would be fairly pointless for anybody who wanted a mass exit of EU citizens or even a brake on new ones arriving.
The whole idea is mad. The swivel eyed tory right have their nut now brave Dave is looking for a sledgehammer with which to crack it. So far he has come up with some pretty manky nutcrackers.
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My goodness, yes that is it in a (large-ish) nutshell!
I would like to know what will happen to EU nationals currently living and working in UK, in the event of a 'No' vote...
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Cameron is going to get some sort of protocol which will be incorporated into a future Treaty revision at a later date when the Treaty will in any case require significant amendments. The Germans want this in order to better order the €U budget and avoid any more Greek tragedies. There is no chance whatsoever of any treaty amendments by 2017. There is precedent for this as Denmark got a list of opt-outs in a protocol which was subsequently inc. in the Lisbon treaty.
It is improbable that the t's will be crossed and i's dotted on even a protocol before the referendum is held. Nevertheless the govt intends to campaign for a "yes" vote on essentially a draft document.
There is no possibility whatsoever of the UK parliament being able to veto any EU legislation and even Hammond, the foreign secretary, has admitted to that. It is also wildly unlikely that the current qualified majority rules will be changed so that it is easier to establish a blocking majority of several countries.
As Cameron is not willing to bring up items on which progress is sure to be utterly impossible ( fishing, agriculture etc etc ) that leaves just three items on the table, structural funds and EU immigrant benefits and protecting the City of London from €urozone taxes.
The UK want EU projects in say the UK to be financed directly by the UK under the EU banner rather than sending the funds to Brussels which then sends funds for the given project back to England. This sounds neat administratively BUT the Treasury has refused to earmark funds in this way for specific projects while in other countries such as Italy the funding would disappear into a black hole even darker than Brussels itself. Nevertheless the UK might get a little give on this.
France and Spain are the only two countries strongly opposed to London finance being outside the reach of Frankfurt inspired taxes. The UK is likely to get what it wants though.
Many might question the wisdom of deciding the fate of a great trading nation on the basis of benefits paid to, say, Polish plumbers and Romanian scrap merchants. Although the subject greatly exercises Mr Carswell, UKIP, the Tory back bench and the rabloid press the money involved is trivial set against the UK total budget. The main reason for that is unemployment among EU nationals resident in the UK is about 2% - well below that of the natives.
A far more rewarding policy would be to take some strong action concerning the largely unskilled non-EU population in the UK which would need no acquiescence from Brussels at all. That has not happened. Indeed manpower to halt illegal immigration from Syria etc etc has been cut by 30%.
The probability is that just as with the 1975 referendum once people get some sort of grasp of the UK/EU link to jobs the yes vote will be of the order 60-70%. The risks of going it alone will not be considered acceptable while the notions of "sovereignty" that so inflame UKIP and its ilk carry little weight with the majority. A shared sovereignty of a larger unit can be a much better bet than the sort of independence enjoyed by, say, Norway or for that matter Pimlico
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passport_to_Pimlico )
It seems to escape the notice of the Daily Snail et al that 2.5 million Brits live in the EU and many of them work there they are far from all retirees in Tenerife. Most will vote and vote yes. Add that onto Welsh, Ulster and Scottish votes plus at least half the English voting "yes" and you should be able to see the prospects of a "no" vote are vanishingly small.
It is somewhat bizarre to see David Cameron, the supposedly great political tactician, dragging his party onto the reef of the EU where it will break up as surely as it did over the issue of the Corn Laws in the C19.
timendi causa est nescire
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I,d sooner believe in the Tooth Fairy than anything any Polititian tells me, They,re all a load of Charletans with only their self interest at heart. :-|
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David Cameron has stated that he will renegotiate better terms for the UK, with the EU, also that he intends to recommend that we withdraw from the EU, if his terms are not met. The question is, do we know exactly what his objectives are? if not, how can we judge if he has been successful, or, is he going to settle for what he can get.
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