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The difference between Janner and Heath is that Janner is alive.

Most of the time victims of historical abuse just want to be believed. If the only way is a "trial of facts", then its better than nothing.

The powers of magistrates courts are not unlimited and the defense could simply refuse to bring Janner before the court whatever the magistrate orders.

In that case the prosecution would have to go to a Crown Court for an indictment where the first job of the judge would be to decided whether Janner is fit to plead.

Even if Janner's team do bring him before the court he will only be asked for his name etc. and would be free to depart after a few minutes without entering any plea. There is no chance whatsoever of him being cross examined at the magistrates court.

All roads lead to Rome.

The thread would then move on to, yes, a Crown Court judge deciding if he is fit to plead. If the probable case that the judge decides not then there will be a "trial of facts". Should the judge decide that Janner is fit then there is a high probability that legal appeals on this could go on for months while Janner's health deteriorated further and/or the trial could collapse with no possibility of a retrial.

Judges do take account of possible outcomes of their decisions and take account of the costs to the Crown such that a "Trial of Facts" is by far the most likely outcome and those who want to see Janner himself in court will have to whistle down the wind.

Some might say that the current trend to harry the reputations of the so called great and the good when they are deceased or in failing health is poor justice and not a great way of spending public funds. Meanwhile there are plenty of live and bouncing evil people getting away with serious crime.

At the end of the day the law is about finding the truth not wreaking vengeance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8dZ0lYU8Kc

Absolutely.

if Janner is fit enough to attend the House of Lords he should have no trouble at all attending court - will be interesting to see what happens

and on the news this morning - Janner is ordered to appear at court to answer charges

Exactly Ms Honkinbottom......sums it up nicely.

Saville was investigated after his death & although it didn't affect him one jot, But It brought some peace to the victims & it opened up lots of other cases bringing others to justice in the cases wake. It signalled closure for many of the victims who may have not been believed first time round..

If Ted Heath was innocent this will come out, if not for some there will be a sense of closure arbeit tinged with some anger that he got away with it.

There may also be people once associated with Ted Heath who could be carping themselves atm.

Hear! Hear!

I do hope there are a few members of the ever decreasing 'blue line' still available to undertake regular more mundane policing for which we should be eternally grateful.

To clarify that this isn't a new allegation please read this snippet re Jersey:

Since the announcement – made by a Wiltshire officer outside Heath’s former home near Salisbury – the Hampshire, Kent and Jersey forces have also said they are investigating allegations of abuse by Heath.

Kent police said they had received an allegation on Tuesday relating to an allegation of sexual assault in the east Kent area in the 1960s and detectives were making initial inquiries. Hampshire police confirmed they were investigating allegations of abuse relating to Heath, and the Jersey force confirmed he had been a suspect for months in its investigation into historical abuse on the island.

She is savvy and articulate but she is a psychologist and not an accountant.

Nobody can be able in all areas and it doesn't take too much probing to find the weakness in anybody and work on it to undermine them, especially if they are threatening your own power.

I would be surprised if that particularly savvy articulate well educated lady would ever have been manipulated! But again until the full facts are known it is not for anyone to speculate. As for newspaper sales, I beg to differ, and can't help but feel that a potential scandal is going to do more for sales than an in depth account of 'Yesterday in Parliament'!!

Kid's Company was helping children who might have been in a situation similar to them.

It has occurred to me that the woman running it (not going to even try to spell her name) might have been manipulated into her current position.

So am i , and i still think it should not be swept under the carpet as many people think it ought to be.

Feelings run high, especially here in Yorkshire where these paedos were operating from Saville's flat in Scarborough.

To be honest I am sick to the back teeth of reading apologies by authorities who failed in their duty of care to innocent children.

The leader of North Yorkshire County Council Leader has issued a statement to the victims of the former mayor of Scarborough, Peter Jaconelli, and their families.

The prolific sex offender and friend and Jimmy Saville could have faced child abuse charges if they had been investigated before his death in 1999.

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I have every sympathy with all those affected by abuse. I extend my deepest sympathies to adults who were the victims of abuse in their childhood and I admire their courage and determination in ensuring that historic allegations are not simply swept under the carpet but are highlighted and investigated. I am sorry for the hurt that has been caused to the victims, survivors and their families.


I am aware of the statements made by the police concerning Peter Jaconelli and that they have received details of a number of alleged offences over a period of years. Whilst he is not alive today to face the full force of the legal process, I regret if there is evidence to show that he was not a fit and proper person to be a County Councillor.

We regret the impact on all those affected and can assure them that should they still want to make any disclosures, support will be provided to them and they will be listened to seriously and with sympathy.

– Carl Les, North Yorkshire County Council Leader

Last updated Tue 4 Aug 2015

News about Jaconelli

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Edward Heath: shaking hands with dead paedos in Savile and Jaconelli’s Scarborough


Edward Heath: shaking hands with dead paedos in Savile and Jaconelli’s Scarborough

Anorak · 3 minutes ago

Edward Heath was a peado! Well, maybe. The Sun continues to fan the speculation that former Prime Minister Edward Heath (dead) might have had sex with a 12…

It was fine for you to add, Stella, not criticising you. I'm criticising the press. They should tread more carefully.

there was a picture in the paper yesterday of Heath with Saville

Stella you are absolutely spot on with that statement.