General Chat

Sorry, I have neglected this, I have been dealing with someone who called me 'left wing scum' and 'idiot' because I challenged their racist views...lolol He rather wishes he hadn't now :-D

I do believe that we would be better off OUT of the EU and their well known history of 'gravy train' politics.

Daughter was asked to go to Brussels to present her report, she refused......good for her :-) she's not paid enough to take the flak that the bureaucrats would be firing as it didn't fit their ideal.

I'm not saying the transition would be easy but I do think it would be worth it. No directive issued by the EU is a one size fits all missive.

I agree that the faces of Brexit are not likeable individuals, some I loathe, but we have to work with what we have.

Now I am returning in my guise of idiot to continue the errrr..... discussion? elsewhere :-D

Why would I trust, let alone follow, the reasoning of a man who can't even be honest about his own business qualifications? Why would I trust, let alone follow, a morally bankrupt idiot who has helped himself to the gravy whilst saying he doesn't like it?

There may well be good reasons for coming out which would change my own decision, but I am not going to depend on the arguments put forward by people who have already proved to me they don't have my best interests or the interests of the country at heart.

Supercrutch "I'm not saying the transition would be easy but I do think it would be worth it. No directive issued by the EU is a one size fits all missive. "

I wouldn't disagree with that last line, but I am equally not convinced that we have to accept them all to stay in, nor that all of those directives are bad news, and I am not sure the fallout of the transition even if it were worth it 'ultimately' is worth the potential price to be paid.

Convince me someone? ;-)

Siemens? German company? Shoots oneself in foot?

The poor guy obviously didn't know who buttered his bread.....!

Hmmmm Siemens ain't it?

I cannot recall all the legal implications that are being brought into the media but as I understand it we do not have any guarantees in law that any opt out would not be challenged and overturned.

It's going to be an interesting few months



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I don't think I can convince you Rose, my thinking, and that of my OH is the same as yours, and so far we are in.

I think our problem is that we can't trust any of them whatever colours they fly so in the end it is 'better the devil you know'.

OUT! I,m pe'd off with someone in europe telling me what i can do or not! what is wrong with a bent culcumer

Thank you Rose for removing that awful song .I find Pet Clark easy to over-ride apart from Downtown for some reason.

By the way as an ex.pat I am still going to vote in. ;-)

Mindyou, just listening to the news there is another thought...if the vote IS to stay in, maybe a purge of the Tory party 'elite' will be the result?

Is there any remote possibility do you think ( please) that in the event of an 'In' vote Gove and IDS will be swiftly evicted and finally out of my sight for good :-)

if we stay in, dave's going to lose half his 'mates'.
:-D

I am with the out vote .sick of EU telling us what to do .it will take years for our country to be a proud nation again .but come on lets try I am with Boris :-)

I wish someone would tell me what it is that the EU has told me I can't do. So far no one has.

Anything Farage, Boris, Gove and IDS think is a good idea has me reaching for my gun.

The cucumber "rule" went 8 years ago, Peter.

Leaving the EU doesn't mean we will no longer be part of and subject to verdicts of the European Court of Human Rights. Totally different treaty.

I'm waiting for that as well, Rose. So far I will vote to stay as I have before.

If you want bent cucumbers they can always be found.

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Of course there is the Eurosausage to consider:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzeDZtx3wUw

:-)

What in the last six months has the European union made you do that you did not want to do at work or at home?

Too simplistic Rollo, it's not about individuals it's about the UK as a whole.

IM not an expert on this...who is? And thank goodness when we went into this we didn't opt for the full membership.
I think that after 40 years we are a bit late to get out now.I didn't totally agree with it ,but it has been this way for so long that it would be a complete change and could be a disaster.....
The trouble with us Brits is that we obey the rules which I know a lot of other European countries agree and then continue with their same habits.
I lived in Southern Spain 6 months of every year in the 90s.theyd never had it so good when their currency changed.from being a poor country with terrible roads they suddenly had all this money to create dual carriageways from top to bottom of the country.
In 1992 they had Expo in Seville and the Olympics in Barcelona and then had the Ave super fast train.
They and Southern Ireland and other full members had lots of benefit from being in the Eurozone .we didn't get the same,but paid our dues.
I didn't think we should have gone in,but now ,after all these years I would be very hesitant to get out and possibly end up worse off.
The world is in turmoil as it is at the moment.
I feel sorry for David Cameron...how would any of the other ministers have handled it in that situation.it is not an enviable job.

I agree with your last paragraph Brenda. And now Boris Johnson is hoping to wheedle his way in by winning the out vote and maybe replacing DC.

The EU was a viable organisation when it started with a handful of Countries at similar stages of development with the idea of easing trade barriers between them.
But then the political elite took it over and national self-interest came to the fore.
The Common Agricultural Policy led to mountanous surpluses, mainly benefiting French farmers. Quotas meant that we are only allowed to produce 80% of the milk we consume. Tariffs mean that the food we used to import from the Commonwealth such as New Zealand lamb (remember that?) was priced out of the UK.
The Common Fisheries Policy carved up fish stocks between member states, we lost our territorial waters fishing areas and our fishing ports on the east coast have all but disappeared. Fish stocks have been decimated as unrealistic size limits for catches mean that shoals are hoovered up, a large proportion are too small so are thrown back into the sea dead, although some undersize fish is landed illegally in Continental ports. Herrings have virtually vanished and cod is on the table before they have had time to breed.
Stupid regulations on light bulbs wattage have replaced incandecent bulbs by compact fluorescent which contain mercury and cannot be safely disposed of.
Replacing mains voltage extractor fans in bathrooms and showers with low voltage ones mean that transformers are on 24/7 instead of a mains fan for perhaps half an hour a day.
Duties have NOT been harmonised between Countries so that, for example, diesel fuel duty is half as much in France as here so that Continental houliers can undercut Uk hauliers by filling up before crossing the Channel.
Need I go on?
There is a world out there outside Europe we can trade with, making our own agreements.
With 28 Coutries in the EU there are too many cultures, languages legal systems and so on to ever integrate. More Countries will be joining. I have never thought of Turkey as being a European country but Brussels seems happy to consider it to be so.
We are quite capable of running our own affairs and not being a small voice in a monolithic bureaocracy aiming to create a single state where we can be outvoted 27 to 1.
I am for out, although if that is the result I can see us being forced to vote again until the "right" result is obtained, as were the Irish.

Simplistic? Me, I think not.

The very problem with the "leave" argument is that it is based on myth and Rosy Scenario. When asked at any level to be precise about the thousand injuries which the UK has suffered at the hands of the Brussels monster the Leavers are unable to do so except in general terms. Much the same applies to individuals. At the end of the day all politics in a democracy at least is about the individual.

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