General Chat

if we stay in, dave's going to lose half his 'mates'.
:-D

Mindyou, just listening to the news there is another thought...if the vote IS to stay in, maybe a purge of the Tory party 'elite' will be the result?

Is there any remote possibility do you think ( please) that in the event of an 'In' vote Gove and IDS will be swiftly evicted and finally out of my sight for good :-)

Thank you Rose for removing that awful song .I find Pet Clark easy to over-ride apart from Downtown for some reason.

By the way as an ex.pat I am still going to vote in. ;-)

OUT! I,m pe'd off with someone in europe telling me what i can do or not! what is wrong with a bent culcumer

I don't think I can convince you Rose, my thinking, and that of my OH is the same as yours, and so far we are in.

I think our problem is that we can't trust any of them whatever colours they fly so in the end it is 'better the devil you know'.

Hmmmm Siemens ain't it?

I cannot recall all the legal implications that are being brought into the media but as I understand it we do not have any guarantees in law that any opt out would not be challenged and overturned.

It's going to be an interesting few months



:-D

Siemens? German company? Shoots oneself in foot?

The poor guy obviously didn't know who buttered his bread.....!

Why would I trust, let alone follow, the reasoning of a man who can't even be honest about his own business qualifications? Why would I trust, let alone follow, a morally bankrupt idiot who has helped himself to the gravy whilst saying he doesn't like it?

There may well be good reasons for coming out which would change my own decision, but I am not going to depend on the arguments put forward by people who have already proved to me they don't have my best interests or the interests of the country at heart.

Supercrutch "I'm not saying the transition would be easy but I do think it would be worth it. No directive issued by the EU is a one size fits all missive. "

I wouldn't disagree with that last line, but I am equally not convinced that we have to accept them all to stay in, nor that all of those directives are bad news, and I am not sure the fallout of the transition even if it were worth it 'ultimately' is worth the potential price to be paid.

Convince me someone? ;-)

Sorry, I have neglected this, I have been dealing with someone who called me 'left wing scum' and 'idiot' because I challenged their racist views...lolol He rather wishes he hadn't now :-D

I do believe that we would be better off OUT of the EU and their well known history of 'gravy train' politics.

Daughter was asked to go to Brussels to present her report, she refused......good for her :-) she's not paid enough to take the flak that the bureaucrats would be firing as it didn't fit their ideal.

I'm not saying the transition would be easy but I do think it would be worth it. No directive issued by the EU is a one size fits all missive.

I agree that the faces of Brexit are not likeable individuals, some I loathe, but we have to work with what we have.

Now I am returning in my guise of idiot to continue the errrr..... discussion? elsewhere :-D

Bursts into a spontaneous chorus of

"The other man's grass is always greener,
the sun shines brighter on the other side..." Petula Clark?

It's all Rollo's fault, I had to find something other than 'Chirpy Chirpy' and 'Union Silver' to run through my head ;-)

Did he give his reasons IGP? Thinking the grass is hopefully greener maybe?



plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

I had to smile the other day on the news they were speaking to a guy who worked at Siemens. He thought it might be best if he voted 'Out'.

Just a few thoughts?

"£43 million a day"

Minus...

The amount needed to police our end of the channel tunnel because the French won't be policing their end anymore, probably just the opposite.

The amount needed to support all those who will lose their jobs,

The amount needed to put into start-ups etc to replace the jobs lost and the amount needed to re-train the workers from the above mentioned lost jobs.

The amount needed to subsidise the increased cost of living and current and increased levels of low pay until Britain becomes a 'power house of industry'. and has the place at the top of the tree it once held, again ....

And even supposing that was all viable and we did decide to go it alone as such ( and supposing NONE of the aspects of being in the EU for the last 30 years have benefited us) it would be a good few years before reconstucting industry, trade agreements etc bought forth results ( and who would suffer in the meantime I ask...rhetorical question) ...and, at least in the short term, we would have the same people making the same decisions, eg cutting disability benefits, seeking to abolish attendance allowance, underfunding the NHS, wasting money on redundant and exorbitantly expensive 'projects' which never make the money back, etc.

I can't say I think this money will be spent more wisely in the hands of the likes of IDS and Gove, who would undoubtedly claim the kudos for coming out, and would undoubtedly make themselves available to be the next PM when Cameron creeps out?

And what of the other things that are not financial? those things decided in the EU that DO benefit us?

Happy to live with exiting, nett benefit of leaving £43 million PER DAY.

Manufacturing died in the UK long ago, the financial sector will not suffer (as threatened) Banks will leave the UK whether we are IN or OUT.

UK has many entrepreneurs and they will still thrive, investment in new start ups will be available and not the ridiculous EU funded start ups which are doomed from day one because those granted the funds strip out the grants within 12 months and close down. That's the case in Wales.... how many call centres do you think a small Principality can sustain?

I can vividly remember saying in 1975 "goodbye Commonwealth trade". We would be free to negotiate new trade deals and talk of imposing taxes for non EU (viz the UK) imports into the EU works both ways.

I could say a lot more but people will be nodding off.

Sue

IN, I was a few months short of being able to vote in 1975.

I would just say, vote for the right reasons, whether you choose in or out, because I have seen a lot of people who don't quite understand that it is not going to catapult us back to some rosy past ( that in most respects never actually existed).

Be prepared to live with your decision if you want out, because once out there will never be an opportunity to get back in.

just penning a letter to Cameron - "Ask Sue" :-D :-D :-D :-D

right - it's OUT for me - I was already leaning that way - this has made my mind up - thanks Sue

OUT as I didn't vote IN during the 1975 referendum.

As I have experienced the utter waste of money implementing useless EU directives which only benefit other countries who pushed for them I despair.

One aspect which is always kept under wraps is that the good old UK adhere to these dictats and spend billions during the initial phase. After anything between 6 and 12 months the rules are abolished or relaxed.

The smart members didn't bother imposing the new regulations in their countries and laughed their socks off when the reverse gear was an option.

In the time during which the UK government were telling those affected that they had to implement the new rules or face sanctions those who had business interests in those sectors affected spent millions from their working capital or secured loans.
They are then informed that a new deal had been struck and the UK could opt out or the rules had found their way out of some obscure Brussels window onto the pavement below.

Too late for the businesses who now find themselves faced with downsizing or closure.

Fair trade? Nope!

European Arrest Warrant is a joke as is the cry of our security will be compromised.

There is nothing in Cameron's deal that would guarantee the EU would stop their meddling and they are quietly laughing up their collective sleeves.

I do not like Gove but his incisive article should give everyone food for thought.

Just my opinion of course.

Those who don't normally vote in other elections for one reason or another - do they have an opinion they would like to share with us? You never know what the rest of us might do on hearing their views.

Don't be shy! :-S

hmm - gonna ask Supercrutch what she's doing - I'll do the same as her