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Yes, they certainly did when James was taken because there was comment at the time.

http://www.samueljohnston.com/en/Clippasafe-Easy-Wash-Harness/m-1108.aspx?gclid=CJzpqomNoswCFSQW0wodVtAKTQ&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=UnitedKingdom


Nowadays this is the thing as well

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I have never seen a child on Reins for Donkeys years
They where Fashionable when my children where little

Do they even still make them ????

:-D :-D :-D

As you seem to want to persist.

One word - reins.

Couldn't have happened to my son. I feel very sorry for her, though, and wouldn't dream of abusing her for what happened.

No body would condone negligence of any kind, surely?

James Bulgers abduction is on CCTV
and cant even be compared to Maddie's disappearance :-( :-(

There is solid proof James was abducted
and none for Maddie been abducted


By BBC News Online's Mike Mckay
It started in the most hum-drum and ordinary circumstances. A Friday - 12 February, 1993 - in The Strand shopping centre in Bootle, Merseyside. A young mother trailing through the centre, a toddler at her side or occasionally lagging a little behind her.

The mother enters a shop. A moment or two later the restless toddler wanders out alone. Usually, a distracted parent is quickly in pursuit - and so, on that Friday afternoon, was Denise Bulger, who came hastily out of the shop, expecting to find two-year-old James nearby.



James Bulger
James was only two when he was killed

But this was not the usual moment of anxiety speedily dispelled. A panicky search around the neighbouring shops came to nothing. James was missing

Total different scinario they can't even be compared to be honest

Denise didn't leave her child night after night to go out with her friends

Stray and I are against all child neglect
and anybody who condones it is lower than a snakes belly to us :-( :-(

Gwinny? Gwynnie,please. :-)

Unable to resist adding - I take it everyone thinks Denise Bulger should be prosecuted as well then. That's the point I'm trying to make. Prosecute all negligent parents and the courts would be full every day. It's down to bad luck if the risks parents take turn out badly. An unlucky few pay the ultimate price.

For some it turns out very badly indeed and name calling isn't productive. What the McCanns did was very wrong but I really don't understand why they have been singled out when there are so many other cases of neglect.

Really going now.

So be it Gwinny
Kids always come first in our family :-D :-D

Have a nice day ;-)

And yes
It shows people are passionate against Children been neglected

My opinion and im entitled to it, wether people dissagree or not, same as your entitled to yours, and i feel so strongly about this case, because for me childen should be loved cherised and protected, the mccans failed to do this.

Its inhumane to me to put a child at risk allowing them to "dissapear"

I'm bowing out. I'm horrified to read that "they deserve their pain". What a disgusting thing to say.

The vile abuse hurled at these parents says far more about the people saying it than it does about them. Inhumane.

Sorry had to return to say that nowhere in the official police files either UK nor Portuguese does it state they killed Madeleine.

Both investigative teams did say the most likely scenario was she died in the apartment through an accident after she woke up and went looking for her parents.

Amaral quoted from the police files which are freely available and unredacted. Therefore not a complete work of fiction.

:-( they had a duty of care to keep their children safe and they failed them badly :-(

Judging by what I've read over the years in the press, there are many people in the country that think their daughter was either killed accidentally or deliberately by the parents.

I haven't read what Kate wrote about her daughter's genitals but I guess that in context that wouldn't feel extraordinary to a doctor, any more than saying she had a rash on her face? Is it not just a mother going over and over every last little detail in her mind?

Well as I have said
Kates book is very Graphic -- to Graphic
page 129 is disgusting
talking about Maddie's genitals
What mother could say such things

I am only on Chapter 5 of GAs book
Its just how the case was investigated
Nothing Graphic at all and it is up to now interesting


unlike Kates book with is cringe worthy :-( :-(

Professional or not, they made a wrong decision at a time when they were relaxed and on holiday, other members of the group did the same.

I haven't felt the need to be reading everything written, nothing would change my view as to the innocence of these people. They have suffered enough and horrendous for their other children to be reading such things.

accidents happen, no parent can wrap there child up and protect them all the time... Altho I try...... No one mentioned we thought they murdered her, However just think what if they did do something to her and what if this is a massive miscarriage of justice for maddie? Who knows, we wernt there, n things just do not add up,
it was there neglectful actions started this, there not complaining or sueing people when they were getting the money, paying of mortgages n legal fights with money's that was suppose to be helping Find maddie, anyone know out of interest when they were last in Portugal actually looking for her???

And on that note I'm off to bed,

Lavender
Kate is a Doctor not a shop or care worker
or Mary Blogs from a council estate
She has worked in Child protection
she knew the dangers

Child protection booklets where found in Apartment 5A
Strange holiday reading :-( :-( if you ask me

Not once have I said they killed her
:-D :-D
and even GA said he thought Maddie died as result of an accident

I do agree they shouldn't have left them unattended but that doesn't mean they killed their child. I'm sure they have plenty of regret but it's just their way of coping, I guess?

I do notice that many parents who haven't experienced loss or trauma seem to lack imagination as to danger. How often when driving do we see a child running along the pavement, if they were to dash out the parent would be far enough out of reach not to be able to grab them? Having ptsd I am all too aware of dangers, too much so, really. I think the McCann's made a grave error of judgement as to the danger of leaving the children, mistaken in their belief that checking them every now and then would be enough. The other parents in the group did the same.

There guilty all right, there guilty of leaving there 3 small children alone which resulted in one going missing, like I say in other posts my heart is with maddie no one else, however they feel they bring it all on themselves for there actions and there actions alone, if they hadn't left there children alone maddie may still be here today.
My heart goes out to any parent to loose a child is the worst loss a Parent can feel, your job is to love cherish and protect your children, not them go before you, it's heartbreaking like I say close friends have lost there children in tragic circumstances, they didn't however leave 3 small children alone in a foreign apartment. So I have empathy for then. But not that couple

Lavender
if i read her book and Kate said just once
She was sorry for leaving them home alone
I maybe could forgive their actions of neglect Just maybe

But Please read the book not once does she or Gerry take responsibility
for their actions everything is always somebody else's fault

This book is glorify Kate and Gerry
Not in anyway we should of looked after our children better :-( :-(