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Isn't some of the Welsh lamb still not fit for human consumption due to radiation ? Sorry if I'm wrong on that one.....
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Nope just looked it up the ban seems to have been lifted a few years back

North/South does matter but not so much in this case I think. There were many people who just didn't like the way they were being told what they should think and what was best for them they wanted to think for themselves.
As for the markets of course they have gone mad and in all honesty whatever the result the markets would have gone a little stupid. There are many people making a lot of money off of this, hence the banks had people in all night buying and selling. All those sold stocks didn't all go into gold someone is sitting there on a reserve right now waiting for the best moment and then they'll start buying.
Yes the future is not known but staying in Europe the future wasn't 100% known either. Tomorrow the sun will rise again and all will settle down one day soon. There might be some hard times ahead, but had the UK stayed in Europe what's to say Europe wouldn't have financially imploded in the near future anyway.

We already do import NZ lamb etc etc and have done for years. It is cheap but not a patch on Welsh lamb.

Upland farming in the UK has created the landscapes that people love and the tourist industry depends on. Vast amounts of EU funding have made all this possible. We shall see whether the promises to maintain agricultural support will be kept.

There have been excellent northern universities for a very long time - Durham, Newcastle, Liverpool, Nottingham, Manchester/UMIST . Some of my rellies taught in them. A Geordie or Liverpudlian accent was no obstacle to advancement unless you wanted it to be.

It is perfectly true that the Inns of Court and City banking have a preference for a handful of universities and public schools. I have never understood why the Labour Party fail to tackle this and instead have created a parallel system of elite comprehensives and feeder primaries..

Liverpool, Manchester and Newcastle all voted remain.

Huge amounts of public funds have been invested in the transit system of northern cities (Sheffield, Nottingham, Manchester) have wonderful light rail systems and the regular railway is getting serious investment too. The old Liverpool docks are now a major arts centre.

I think Sylvia's memory is a very long way from today's reality. Even the Boys from the Black stuff would not recognise today's Liverpool. Sure there are still far too many pockets of poverty all over England from northern cities such as Hull, Middlesborough and Sunderland, Aston and Coventry in the Midlands, Luton, Peterboro, Corby in the east Midlands, Southend, Barking, Margate and Dover in the south east. As I recall Waterloo, Canada has its problems.

Failure to bring prosperity to places such as these has cost Cameron dearly though the problems go back a very long way. But to characterise the problem as north v south them down there and us up here is absurd.

I cannot see any way in which brexit is going to improve life in any of these places, quite the reverse.

Old people at any time in history, any culture you like have always distrusted change and incomers. It is not that they are wrong they are just like that. In normal life the caution of the old tempers the enthusiasm of the young. The referendum had a strange electorate which was all too obviously pitched to get a result. Well, it worked and one day the chickens will come home to roost..

fwiw I have close rellies in Sheffield, Newcastle and the east Midlands. I know these places as they are today and as they were in the 1960s. Not remotely like the same.

Boris Johnson is a wily and highly intelligent man. Do not be taken in by his hairdo and bonhomie. He is quite capable of running rings around any of the self regarding EU leaders his only equal being the awesome Frau Merkel.

Expect surprises.

Bankers worked all night, armed with a £10 billion war chest, buying and selling currency, stocks and gold....men of integrity ?? :-P :-P

IGP. my thoughts exactly..... many have kept telling the people of Britain how much it cost for us to remain in the EU........ now we have the expense of coming out. I wonder if one day this question could be asked under the Freedom of Information Act.... or would it be kept secret for 50 years. :-|

The divide in this referendum was much more between town and country than between north and south.

Country area voted for leave much more strongly than towns and big cities tended to be for for remain.

The 'north-south divide' doesn't really mean 'north * south', it means 'London and parts of the south-east * the rest of the UK'. There has been precious little investment down here in parts of straw-chewing yokel land in the south-west. That image of leafy stockbroker belt, home counties affluence doesn't extend too far west.

And we already have chilled cabinets full of Canadian cheddar and NZ lamb ;-)

for those who say "no north - south divide".........

....... I come from Lancashire, and I grew up being taught "there's them down south that get everything and there's us up north that get nothing".

We knew that we would not get decent jobs "down south" because we had the wrong accent, northern universities were considered "poorer" in terms of education than southern ones, on and on it went.

It might be hard for some of you to understand but there was a time 50 years ago when someone with an excellent degree from a northern university (1st class honours or a top flight PhD) would find it extremely hard to get a position in business in London; with the Government; at Oxford; Cambridge or certain other southern universities; or at one of the top private schools ............. because their accent would not "fit". Remember the BBC accent????

It was just like being of the wrong racial group became later ............... the person would pass all applications, be called for interview, and fail as soon as they entered the room or opened their mouth.

I know I'm thinking back to the 50s and 60s, and that things have, I hope, changed in many of those respects ......... but there are other things dividing the many parts of north of England from the south.

This never seemed to be taken into account by the Tories, the Liberals or the Lib-Dems ............ so far as I could see watching your politics from afar.

I was trying to point out that the very obvious colour division on that map was something that might have been expected.


Growing up, we always seemed to consider Scotland as a separate entity from the North of England

......... and in a sense, Scotland's historic close connection with France makes even more sense of the large Remain vote.


You've certainly got a long row to hoe .............. but I do think the markets will stabilize soon as the world realises it hasn't come to an end and you haven't dropped off the into the unknown deep.


Just think ........... you'll be able to import NZ lamb, Canadian cheese, etc etc, once again :-D

Given that the 2 year exit process is going to require a lot of public funded resource has anyone tried to work out how much it will cost the taxpayer and how will it impinge on whatever government is in power to actually govern if they are heavily involved in re-negotiation.

These issues seem to have been overlooked so far.

Good one Caroline. I like it. :-D :-D :-D

Wouldn't that ensure you get yesterday weather every year then ?? Flooding and thunder storms wide spread !!

Will we get a Bank Holiday for INDEPENDENCE DAY/

Northern Ireland will be an interesting scenario.
Logically, as they voted to Remain, maybe that could be achieved by solving their 300 year difference with the Irish Republic and reuniting?
That would be a positive outcome and would eliminate the land border between the UK and the EU.

A Great day for Britain, we get our country back and we get to govern it not some unelected Marxist's in Brussels.

There is no north/south divide in England. The split is Scotland and N Ireland voting to Remain with most of England and Wales voting to Leave.

According to the BBC news the various departments at Wetminster now have to go through all the EU legislation and decide which bits to keep, which to amend and which to ditch.

"The markets are down, sterling is down"

Sterling will rise although possibly not to the same level. Many of the 'Sell' orders are automatically triggered when the rate reaches a certain level.

As for the markets being down - sell high, buy low. Now is the time for the Institutions to invest.
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One of the Labour 'Remain' politicians said last night that she thought the northern votes were a kick against the Tory cuts and lack of investment. If Corbyn had been a bit more enthusiastic promoting Remain, he may have swung more of his party's tradtional supporters.

So, who's got a spare room , for when I can't afford my raised mortgage?

The markets are down, sterling is down, Moody's have put us on notice to loose our triple A credit rating. The economy is going to take a hit in the short term. Mortgages are likely to rise, wages fall. Landlords costs will rise, so rents will increase.
The cost of borrowing money for the government will rise
The welfare budget will need to be cut, so those living on benefits are not immune from this

A bad day all round :-(

68% remain in my Council Area

The north-south divide is a myth - Newcastle and Liverpool both voted remain the latter by quite a margin. Scotland is even further north than Newcastle and Glasgow has the social problems of Leeds or Bradford by the truck load yet it voted Remain. Unemployment and low pay are worse in south Essex and East Kent then NE England.

There is a growing divide between those who work in dead and dying industries, those who work for long hours and low pay, those living in small cities such as Boston and Peterboro, Sheffield(E), Southend who compete with newcomers for access to social services. They will find soon enough that brexit will make all these problems a great deal worse.

Then of course there are the jingoists ...