General Chat

Song of Solomon 2.1 the rose of Sharon the lily of the valley...

So whoever filled out yr birth cert couldn't spell.
It ain't unusual, happens all the time.

Better a 1000 roses than a single Trump.

:-)

Should I read it as well Rolo?

The Tablet never in front of the curve has yet to work out that Trump is playing Judy to the hard man Steve Bannon's Punch. The real rumble in the jungle will be in the South China Sea.

Bannon does not care a flying duck about the UK except as a lever to destroy the EU and NATO.

Politicians peddling "alternative facts" is hardly new even for the current POTUS. Far more serious is Trump admin. Refusal to accept that the USA has a govt subject to the law not men. Pushed hard enough this will end up with blood on th streets.

Sharon should read the petition before commenting on it. It does not seek to deny Trump visits to the UK only the withdrawal of a state visit and only then so long as the visa / green card imbroglio continues.

No other POTAS has been accorded a state visit before a year in office. The true purpose is to prop up May's govt which will disintegrate once brexit plan a kicks in.

May also has issues with the rule of law. Each time she goes pasr the Banqueting House in Whitehall she should pause for thought.

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'The presidency of Donald Trump has already provoked a series of angry skirmishes between himself and his staff on the one hand, and with the mainstream media on the other. The Press feels – with good reason – that Mr Trump’s attachment to the truth is fluid.

He makes contentious statements which he apparently wants people to believe, yet they are often inconsistent with his earlier assertions on the same matter. Or, as with his boast about the crowd size at his inauguration, they are disproved by the available evidence.

It is his indifference to truth which leaves many serious journalists and television commentators somewhat dumbfounded. How do they report what is happening when, for instance, a White House spokesperson talks of “alternative facts”, as if there was another universe where things are different?

Facts are no longer sacred in this Orwellian world, it seems, but are whatever the President wants them to be'.

(A short piece from a hard-hitting article in this week's 'The Tablet' magazine.)

Of course he should come here.

We need to see him, we need to see exactly what we are dealing with the better to protect ourselves.

OMG he would be the last person to want to play with he is gross .The latest news his visit it could be downgraded to Political .but not for some time yet .The Papers will be Busy & media keeping up with Mr Trumpton ;-)

It was German bigbiz which financed the Third Reich. The only USA firm involved was G.M. who built trucks and half tracks for the Wehrmacht.

Trump's honeymoon is over in the USA where he had maj -ve opinion after 8 days. All other POTAS since 1938 managed well over a year.

No wonder he is seeking solace with the ladies at court.

Mind your pussy. Miaow.

You are right, Rollo. Many who escaped retribution after WW2 did so because of their promising contribution to the economy.

In helping to build war-torn economies, many know that the Marshall Plan gave the USA the upper hand. Its implementation was not too difficult; after all, if a country is on its uppers, a helping hand/loan is easier to accept than loss of power in an election.

It also made it easier to legitimize an American-designed world - how many MCDs, KFCs, Ford manufacturing plants etc are now spread around the globe. Some countries have adopted American spelling for English words; even in Oz, where schools used English spellings exclusively, one now finds that some now accept American and English spelling - even using American text books in primary schools.

It is going to be an interesting and (probably) rough ride in the USA as time progresses and we see Trump attempting to redesign the USA to his liking. He is in the honeymoon period at the moment but the Executive, Legislature and Judiciary are bound to clash eventually. Wait until the Pacific rim nations dig their heels in.

As a well read student of the rise to power of the Third Reich Joy L will be aware that his rise was expedited by the money making opportunities for bigbiz. Many of the men and firms who financed the 3R survived its collapse and went on to big things in modern Germany eg Siemens gmbh.

In the USA Trump and his minions are facing hard line resistance from the west coast states and modern biz which have 70% of the US economy. They are likely to win out leavin May and Bojos strategy looking v silly at best.

The UK earns about half of its export income from the EU which goes up to 65% Inc all earnings based on EU membership. US earmings are 15% mostly weapons and invisibles. Tariffs on physical goods are 2% max. The post brexit UK has very little to sell to the USA. Otoh USA food, big pharma and health mgt are v keen to fill their boots eating UK pie.
Brexit is already a disaster shaping up to destroy our economy giving whats left to USA bigbiz is mad.
Read Richard North brexit blog. North is all for a managed brexit but not the train crash we are heading for.

Sorry Rollo, I disagree, however the meetings have gone. Although you write that it is not May's style to ask or care for HM's opinion, my blood tells me that May would not have done that off her own bat.

I, myself, do not care for Trump who appears to care not a jot for opinions of his advisers or those around him. He has the makings of a despot and, since you bring up Hitler's rise to power over several years (which, by the way, I had to read a lot about many years ago), Trump needs to be aware of what was said after the Nazi fall when it was all over - why wasn't something done during Hitler's rise to power ?

It would not be the May style to ask or care for Hm opinion. The weekly meetings have not gone well.

Trump is an evil man bringing ratbags such as Steve Bannon to power. There are going to be major ructions in the USA. Read up on the rise to power of Hitler in the 1920s and 1930s.

May is either naive and stupid hitching her wagon to Trump or herself a closet follower of alt.right. the doors are open.

We are all blessed not to be cursed with the burden of foreknowledge.

We forget one thing, perhaps?

Surely Theresa May would not have proffered a state visit without the Queen's knowledge which indicates that the Queen is either happy to oblige or asked T May to do so on her behalf?

My bet is that it was done so at the Queen's suggestion.

True Rollo.........but really is Trump the most evil of them all....close granted....

The only thing needed for evil to prosper is that good men do nothing.

Maybe Silly Lilliy what's her name the famous person who always complains can put him up !!

Maggie...you'd hope they would wouldn't you.....want to bet some money on them having done that though ??? :)

Caroline, if it happened once, one hopes they've put a stop to it!

Barbra,
I agree with you.
May invited him over - she can put him up!! :-D

I myself feel no State visit but he could have talks with Pm .he is not King of America just a politician & should not be afforded the time with our Royal Family .Our Pm met him in the White House so let him stay at Chequers with the her for a short stay (Sorted )