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If you're going to come back with the family are so powerful they can control everyone and everything then I seriously think we should regard them as more public enemy number one.... who is going to start the petition and the rallies in London and every student town...forget Trump he's old news.......
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I suppose some people thought Fred and Rose West
where nice people :-(
Until some nice Police men and women
dug their garden over :-(
Technically Fred was not convicted in a Court of law
He killed himself before he went to Trail
even though we know he was guilty
So do we class him as Innocent ???
Until some nice Police men and women
dug their garden over :-(
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Sorry was that confirmation you can't answer my question ?
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I beat you to it..."Jack the Ripper" was a nice old chap unless you met him in a dark alley at night.....
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What on earth have the Wests got to do with it?
:-S :-S :-S
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For the record before I'm accused with no evidence I didn't RR
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Me neither. I wouldn't bother debating if I was going to. *sigh*
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Maybe that's a form of debating for some, just close it down.
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Perhaps the McCanns saw it.
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To answer Guinevere question, The West have nothing to do with this but then neither does most of the "arguments" on here....the West were convicted serial killers....the case we're discussing has never been solved in part due to questionable tactics employed by the local police. It like comparing chips and spam .!!!
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Whooohooo fame comes my way again :-D
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I miss all the excitement
Hands Sue the Golden RR finger Award
For the first post RR ed this week
SPEACH SPEACH :-D :-D
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Caroline, I loved your piece by ?James Crumley. Been there, done that. By his criterion, I am extremely trustworthy. The only non-drinkers I trust are recovering alcoholics.
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You're welcome Bob...thought it maybe applied who knows. :-D
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What next for the McCanns?
The European Court of Human Rights - ECHR:
Almost as soon as the news of Goncalo Amaral's second successful defence against the McCanns was spreading across the parallel universe that is the main stream media, mumblings, whispers, and in the case of some newspapers, definitive statements were being made; "McCanns to appeal court ruling".
I was holding out for the headline, "Kate and Gerry McCann to throw yet more donated money away in obsessive pursuit of one man".
Or...
"McCanns set to gamble yet more cash, many believe is being used to search for Madeleine"
Of course those headlines will never make the front pages, despite (plans of appealing aside), being totally true.
Kate and Gerry McCann have spent many years, and a massive amount of public donations in pursuing Goncalo Amaral.
“He deserves to be miserable and feel fear”, is one of Kate's quotes about Snr. Amaral.
All those years, all that cash, and now, if the rumours are correct, Kate and Gerry are considering appealing yet again. This time to the last chance saloon; The European Court of Human Rights.
The press, as you'd expect, lay out the news like it's a foregone conclusion; that the McCanns will simply get on the blower to Strasbourg, and coupling their usual arrogance, with a somewhat swaggering self entitlement complex, will be granted an appeal just like that.
It isn't that easy. Personally, I doubt very much if the McCanns will go down the ECHR route. I'm more of the opinion that the cries of 'we'll appeal', are hollow, and that the McCann media machine is merely trying to fool whoever still believes their tripe, into believing the McCanns have been dealt a severe injustice (they haven't), and will seek to rectify it asap.
That being said, it's just my opinion, so let's look at the ECHR, and whether the McCanns could, should they apply, be granted the right to appeal.
- The first step for anyone seeking to apply to the ECHR, is to download an application form, and fill every section out, meticulously, and in full.
- If any parts of the form are incomplete, illegible, or incorrect, then the court could well end the claim right there. (These ladies and gents do not Monkeys about).
- Once the form is completed, it must be sent to the ECHR in Strasbourg.
- Upon arrival at Strasbourg, the application form will be sent to the appropriate legal division. In this case, it would be a division that included Portuguese speakers, who also have expertise in Portuguese litigation.
- The file will then be given a number, and examined by a lawyer.
- The court may then contact the applicant, and ask for further information. If this isn't sent immediately, the court can, and will, terminate the application.
- Other than the court requesting information, and the applicant sending it, the latter must NOT contact the court. (Can you imagine Gerry being able to adhere to that rule?)
- The court receives over 50,000 applicants a year, of those only 30 actually make it to the hearing stage. That's a staggeringly low 0.06% (You feeling lucky Kate and Gerry?)"If your application is clearly inadmissible because it does not meet all the required admissibility criteria, it will be dealt with by a single judge. The inadmissibility decision given by that judge is final. You will be informed by letter, but you will not receive a copy of the decision. It is not possible to challenge the inadmissibility decision or request any further information about it. The Court will close the case and the file will be destroyed at a later date"
- In all cases, once the ECHR decides, at any stage, that an application is inadmissible, or it is rejected, then that's it; game over; you had your chance; you blew it.
For instance, as with Kate's original claim that she was steeped in deep depression, that were found to be (by her own admission), to be fabricated, the court would throw out the appeal. No second chances, she lied, she was caught out, go home, don't contact us regarding this matter again. I'm sure should it get to that stage, Goncalo Amaral's legal team will point out that the McCanns lied in their original claim, and of course, point out that they applied for money on behalf of Madeleine. Something they had no legal right to do.
(taken from the net ) continued above :-D
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Continued
Now, let's get down to some juicier bits.
One of the questions that we've seen crop up a few times, is this:
If the McCanns begin the appeal process, will Goncalo Amaral's assets be frozen once more, and will the costs Kate and Gerry were ordered to pay, be suspended pending the outcome of the ECHR?
The wonderful news, if you're sat on the Amaral side of the fence, is that until a final verdict is reached by the ECHR, they don't have the power to overturn, suspend, or alter any decision made by the Portuguese, as confirmed by the ECHR below:
"If I apply to the Court, does it mean I do not have to
comply with the final judgment given by the domestic
courts?
No, applying to the Court has no suspensive effect. You must
comply with the final decisions of the national courts even if you
lodge an application with the Strasbourg Court."
So no get out there. If Kate and Gerry were hoping to delay payment (whilst they squirrelled away more of the donations given to them to find their daughter), by slapping in an application to the ECHR, they'd better have a rethink; it won't work.
The current backlog of cases, means that any application could take up to a year, and more, to reach the appeal stage. Plenty of time for the McCanns to pay up, or find themselves arrested.
Another question that is included in the ECHR many information sheets, is this one:
"What is the European Court of Human Rights
not able to do for me?
The Court does not act as a court of appeal in relation to national
courts (the Supreme Court in Lisbon being one of these); it does not rehear cases, it cannot quash, vary or revise
their decisions
.The Court does not act as a court of appeal in relation to national
courts (the Supreme Court in Lisbon being one of these); it does not rehear cases, it cannot quash, vary or revise
their decisions.
The Court will not intercede directly on your behalf with the authority you are complaining about. In exceptional circumstances the Court may, however, grant interim measures.
As a matter of practice it only does so where there is a serious risk of physical harm to the applicant.
The Court will not help you find or pay a lawyer to draw up your application.
The Court cannot give you any information on legal provisions in force in the State against which your complaints are directed."
More on the how applications to the European Court of Human Rights, can be read on the following links:
http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Your_Application_ENG.pdf
http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Questions_Answers_ENG.pdf
So, if the McCanns are indeed having utopian ideas of starting further desperate, and pitiful attempts to destroy Snr. Amaral, I would suggest that fantasy land is where they will be born, and reality be there resting place.
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LOL who cares !!
Did the McCanns take your favourite parking space at bingo once, why do you have such a bitter crusade against them what have they ever done to YOU ?
Do you know Snr Amaral personally ??
Again how about answering the simple question posted on here a few times by myself and others.......IF he's so right why aren't they charged with at least manslaughter ?????????
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Because he wanted to charge them
But he was taken off the case
when the British Government got involved
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Oh okay that's what it is then the British Government and no doubt the Queen have snatched them away from the jaws of a foreign jail cell, because they have some dirt on them ???
Oh hang on didn't he make negative remarks about the good old British bobbies that were put on the case....that's when he was pulled......
BUT still if he had all the evidence why did no one else charge them...oh that's right they're undercover agents......
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