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julie
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13 Feb 2017 12:39 |
Hi, I'm new to this and i was wondering if someone could tell me how i find my great great grand parents or how i would get a copy of there marriage certificate.I know his name and where he lived from my great grandads marriage certificate but thats about all they come from up north Newcastle./ Sunderland. Any info would be of a great help. Thank you in advance' Kind Regards Julie Thorpe.
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McAlp
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13 Feb 2017 12:51 |
Hi Julie If you give us their names and bith years, also your Granddads birth year, I'm sure we could point you in the right direction. Have you searched the GRO records ?
Http://Www.freebmd.org.uk Ann
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RolloTheRed
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13 Feb 2017 12:53 |
Http://Www.freebmd.org.uk
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McAlp
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13 Feb 2017 12:57 |
Thank you Rollo My mistake https://familysearch.org Is also a free site.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Feb 2017 13:53 |
If you want any help in locating info then some names ,area and approx years would help the search
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Kucinta
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13 Feb 2017 15:33 |
HI Julie,
if you have your great great grandads's name and possibly occupation from the marriage cert, and your great grandad's name, approximate birth year and location, you or helpers on the board (if you post the details), can use the information to look for them together on online censuses for instance, to get more details for your great great grandparents, as well as looking on sites, free or otherwise, for parish records etc.
As others have said, we'd love to help if you have some details, or if you get stuck after searching yourself on the free sites mentioned in the thread. :-)
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julie
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14 Feb 2017 10:39 |
Thank you you all so kind.My grandad was Ralph Hill 1911-1997 he married Mary Stonehouse in Borehamwood hertfordshire.my nan comes from Sunderland and my granda comes from Newcastle most of his family was born inwillingtonn quad Northumberland.Sometimes it says Durham south shields. My granda dad was also called Ralph Hill 1883-1936 He married Martha Jobling (born 15th March 1888) on 4th June 1901 St Paul's church, Jarrow, County Durham.Ralph Hill dad was John William Hill he was a blacksmith,Ralph hills marriage certificate say's he lived at 65,Markton Terrace if I've read it right. Also I have just played £11 something to access Parish records ,Where do I find the Parish records ? Can someone direct me in the right place please.I am very greatful for any help you can give me. I think I need a lesson in how to use the site. Thank you again. Julie
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MargaretM
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14 Feb 2017 12:19 |
Ralph Hill
in the 1911 England Census View 1911 England Census
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Name: Ralph Hill Age in 1911: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Willington Quay, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Wallsend Search Photos: Search for 'Wallsend' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: 58 Palmers Terrace Marital Status: Married Occupation: General Labourer Registration district: Tynemouth Registration District Number: 559 Sub-registration district: Wallsend ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Piece: 30729 Household Members: Name Age Ralph Hill 28, born Willington Quay, Northumberland Martha Hill 28. born S. Shields, Durham, married 9 years, 5 children born, 2 had died Isabella E Hill 9, born Willington Quay Thomas Hill 4, born N. Shields, Northumberland Ralph Hill Under 1/12, born Willington Quay Margaret A Adamson 43, sister-in-law, married, born Howdon, Northumbrtland
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MargaretM
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14 Feb 2017 12:28 |
Ralph Hill
in the 1901 England Census View 1901 England Census
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Name: Ralph Hill Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Mother: Ellen R Hill Birth Place: Willington Quay, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Willington Search Photos: Search for 'Willington' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Willington Quay County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Tynemouth Sub-registration district: Wallsend ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4798 Folio: 65 Page Number: 9 Household schedule number: 49 Household Members: Name Age Ellen R Hill 51, widow John Hill 22 Robert Hill 20 Ralph Hill 18 Eleanor Hill 16 Thomas Hill 14 Mary A R Hill 10 John W Hill 5, grandson
All born Willington Quay except mother born Howdon, Northumberland.
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MargaretM
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14 Feb 2017 12:31 |
Ralph Hill
in the 1891 England Census View 1891 England Census
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Name: Ralph Hill Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relation: Son Father's name: John Hill Mother's name: Ellen Hill Gender: Male Where born: Willington Quay, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Wallsend Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Willington Quay County/Island: Northumberland Country: England
Registration district: Tynemouth ED, institution, or vessel: 7b Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4222 Folio: 48 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age John Hill 48 Ellen Hill 41 Elizabeth Hill 14 John Hill 12 Robert Hill 10 Ralph Hill 8 Elleanor Hill 6 Tom Hill 4 Mary A Hill 1/12
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Kucinta
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14 Feb 2017 13:12 |
Another transcript of the 1891 census Margaret posted, showing that John Hill was a blacksmith, so it looks likely Margaret has found the right family. I used FMP aka FIndMyPast , a subscription site, to find this census information.
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Boundry Street, Wallsend, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England John Hill Head Married Male 48 1843 Blacksmith Northumberland, England <<<<<<<<<<< Ellen Hill Wife Married Female 41 1850 - Howdon Pans, Northumberland, England Elizabeth Hill Daughter Single Female 14 1877 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England John Hill Son Single Male 12 1879 Scholar Willington Quay, Northumberland, England Robert Hill Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Willington Quay, Northumberland, England Ralph Hill Son Single Male 8 1883 Scholar Willington Quay, Northumberland, England <<< Eleanor Hill Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Willington Quay, Northumberland, England Tom Hill Son - Male 4 1887 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England Mary A Hill Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
The 1881 census for the same family gives John's birthplace as newcastle on Tyne, c1843.
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census 54, Nelson Street, Wallsend, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England John Hill Head Married Male 38 1843 Engine Smith Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England <<<<<<<<<<<< Ellen Hill Wife Married Female 31 1850 - Howdon, Northumberland, England<<<< Elizabeth Hill Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England John Hill Son Single Male 2 1879 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England Robert Hill Son Single Male 0 1881 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England Mary Ramshaw Mother In Law Widow Female 66 1815 - Walker, Northumberland, England<<<<<<<<<<<
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Kucinta
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14 Feb 2017 13:18 |
Given the name of John's mother in law, Mary Ramshaw, in the 1881 census, I would propose this potential marriage from FreeBMD instead of the one Margaret suggested. Remember the 1881 census showed John to have been born in Newcastle upon Tyne.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Dec 1874 Hill John Newcastle T. 10b 152<<<<<<<<<<< Pape Isabella Stephenson Newcastle T. 10b 152 Ramshaw Ellen Newcastle T. 10b 152 <<<<<<<<<<< Usher John Newcastle T. 10b 152
EDIT: A search at the GRO site would seem to confirm this maiden name of Ramshaw for Ralph's mother:
HILL, RALPH RAMSHAW <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 157
(as Margaret said, Tynemouth R D covers Willington Quay, where the census says Ralph was born)
So it looks like Ralph's mother is Ellen Ramshaw, who according to the 1881 census, was born c1850 Howdon Northumberland, or in the 1891 census Howdon Pans Northumberland.
This gives you more information to search for John and Ellen in their youth, with their parents, siblings etc.
have run out of lunch hour, so bye for now! :-)
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MargaretM
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14 Feb 2017 13:51 |
I agree, Kucinta, I jumped the gun on that one. Will delete it so as not to cause confusion.
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Kucinta
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14 Feb 2017 14:05 |
Margaret - if not for finding mother in law, I would have heartily agreed with you that the Tynemouth marriage was very likely, as looked good on location, and timing in relation to the birth of the children.
Also Ma in law Mary Ramshaw might have been married and widowed more than once, and thus might still have been the mother of the bride you suggested - it took Ralph's birth ref with MMN Ramshaw to make me feel confident I did have the right marriage.
(and yes, I should be working :-( )
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Kucinta
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14 Feb 2017 15:34 |
This looks like Ellen Ramshaw with parents in census 1861.
Note Ellen is born Howdon c1850, as per Ellen Hill in census 1881 and 1891 already posted.
Mother is named Mary, and born c1811 Walker Northumberland - remember John Hill's mother in law was widowed Mary Ramshaw born c1815 Walker Northumberland (maybe she knocked a few years off her age) according to census 1881.
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Globe Square, Howdon, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England Thomas Ramshaw Head Married Male 49 1812 Shipwrights Howdon, Northumberland, England Mary Ramshaw Wife Married Female 50 1811 - Walker, Northumberland, England Mary Ramshaw Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 Scholar Walker, Northumberland, England John Ramshaw Son - Male 13 1848 Labourer Howdon, Northumberland, England Ellen Ramshaw Daughter - Female 11 1850 Scholar Howdon, Northumberland, England<<<<<<<<
Same family in the previous census of 1851:
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Willington Quay, Tynemouth Union, Northumberland, England Thomas Ramshaw Head Married Male 39 1812 Shipwright Howdon, Northumberland, England Mary Ramshaw Wife Married Female 36 1815 Domestic At Home Howdon, Northumberland, England Isabella Hedley Ramshaw Daughter-In-Law - Female 14 1837 Out Door Labourer Felling, Durham, England<<<<<<<<<< Robt Hedley Son-In-Law - Male 12 1839 Home Howdon, Northumberland, England Mary A Ramshaw Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Howdon, Northumberland, England Ann Ramshaw Daughter - Female 5 1846 - Howdon, Northumberland, England John Ramshaw Son - Male 2 1849 - Howdon, Northumberland, England Elloner Ramshaw Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Howdon, Northumberland, England
Note 14 yr old daughter in law Isabella Hedley Ramshaw. At this time 'daughter in law' was often used where we would say 'step daughter'.
I suspect Isabella was Mary's daughter by a previous marriage, and this is her marriage as a widow to Thomas:
First name(s) Thomas Last name Ramshaw Sex Male Marriage year 1842 Marriage date 13 Dec 1842 Place South Shields Description St. Hilda Spouse first name(s) Mary<<<<<<<<<< Spouse last name Hedley<<<<<<<< Groom's first name(s) Thomas<<<<<<< Groom's last name Ramshaw<<<<<<<<<< Groom's parish - Bride's first name(s) Mary Bride's last name Hedley Bride's parish - County Durham Country England Record set Northumberland And Durham Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain
You could, of course, get John and Ellen's marriage cert if you wanted to be sure of the names of their respective fathers.
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Kucinta
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14 Feb 2017 15:37 |
This seems like a possible birth for John William Hill, we know he was born c1843 Newcastle, from the census entries already posted.
His mother's maiden name is given as Sharp.
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: HILL, JOHN WILLIAM SHARP <<<<<<<<<<< GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE UNION Volume 25 Page 366
I found this Hill-Sharp marriage:
First name(s) John<<<<<<<<<<<< Last name Hill<<<<<<<<<<l Sex Male Marriage year 1827 Marriage date 28 Jul 1827 Place Hexham Description St. Andrew Aka Abbey Spouse first name(s) Elizabeth Spouse last name Sharp Groom's first name(s) John Groom's last name Hill Groom's parish - Bride's first name(s) Elizabeth<<<<<<<<<< Bride's last name Sharp<<<<<<<<<< Bride's parish - County Northumberland Country England Record set Northumberland And Durham Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain
and I believe this is the couple, John and Elizabeth, with a son called John born c1843, in census 1851.
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census T So Buckingham Street, Westgate St Johns, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England John Hill Head Married Male 44 1807 Shoemaker - Elizabeth Hill Wife Married Female 48 1803 - Hexham, Northumberland, England Ralph Hill Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Shoemaker Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England John H Hill Son Unmarried Male 8 1843 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
I think John H, is probably actually John W mistranscribed either from the census image, or from the original householder's return.
John senior's birthplace is given as Durham City on the census image. Note wife Elizabeth is born Hexham, where the marriage of John Hill and Elizabeth Sharp took place.
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Kucinta
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14 Feb 2017 15:51 |
The same family in census 1861, now John jr, is a blacksmith...so a good match for John William
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census 45, Buckingham Street, Westgate, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
John Hill Head Married Male 55 1806 Shoemaker Durham, England Elizabeth Hill Wife Married Female 57 1804 - Northumberland, England Ralph H Hill Son Unmarried Male 21 1840 Shoemaker Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England John Hill Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Blacksmith Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England<<<<<<<<<
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JemimaFawr
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14 Feb 2017 16:15 |
Hi Julie :-)
I'm not the expert, that the others posting here are, but it has crossed my mind ....
.... when you asked about the Parish Records that you paid for ... are you talking about the Genes Reunited Subscription?
I am probably one of the few that uses the GR Records! :-D
What kind of GR Sub do you have? Do you have Platinum with the Parish Records added on as an extra?
This is what you do to access GR's Parish Records (and other records)
At the Right Hand top of any GR page click on SEARCH... A list of categories will appear. You could chose "Search All Records" ... or "Births" for example. You put in the details of the person who's record you are looking for and click "Search Now"
Boxes will appear with the number of results in each category. eg.. Births Deaths and Marriages .... ANY PARISH RECORDS AVAILABLE ON GR WILL BE IN THIS SECTION.
I would also advise you to save any records you find to your computer, as once your subs (or credits on a Standard Sub) run out, you will not be able to view them again on GR without paying again.
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Kucinta
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14 Feb 2017 16:21 |
Re the maiden name of Ellen Ramshaw's mother Mary, who I believe married a Mr Hedley before she married Thomas Ramshaw...
I'm wondering if Ellen was born Eleanor ( that might be why she is Ellen R Hill in the 1901 census):
RAMSHAW, ELEANOR READHEAD Order GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH UNION Volume 25 Page 517
I looked for a birth ref for brother John, born c1848 according to census 1851.
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: RAMSHAW, JOHN READHEAD Order GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in TYNEMOUTH UNION Volume 25 Page 442
Also sister Mary A. born c1844 according to census 1851
I didn't find a mother named Readhead or variant, but one named Hedley:
RAMSHAW, MARY ANN HEDLEY GRO Reference: 1843 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH UNION Volume 25 Page 444
So I looked for the marriage of a woman named Mary Readhead or similar, to a man surnamed Hedley and found this:
First name(s) Mary Last name Redhead Sex Female Marriage year 1836 Marriage date 09 May 1836 Place Newcastle Description St. John Spouse first name(s) William<<<<<< Spouse last name Hedley<<<<<<< Groom's first name(s) William Groom's last name Hedley Groom's parish - Bride's first name(s) Mary<<<< Bride's last name Redhead<<<<<<<< Bride's parish - County Northumberland Country England Record set Northumberland And Durham Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
I found Mary Hedley with daur Isabella from census 1851(Isabella Hedley Ramshaw) in census 1841, but no sign of her husband:
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Glass House Lane, Wallsend, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England Mary Hedley Female 29 1812 Northumberland, England Isabella Hedley Female 4 1837 Northumberland, England Robert Hedley Male 2 1839 Northumberland, England Thos Barrett Male 25 1816 Northumberland, England
There is this death for a 30 yr old William Hedley registered in the first qtr of 1841.:
HEDLEY, WILLIAM 30 Order GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON LYNE UNION Volume 25 Page 244
EDIT: Found baptism for Eleanor on family search:
England Births and Christenings Name Eleanor Ramshaw Gender Female Birth Date 11 Dec 1849 Birthplace St. Peter's, Wallsend, Northumberland, England Father's Name Thomas Ramshaw<<<<<<<<<<< Mother's Name Mary<<<<<<<<<<<
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julie
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14 Feb 2017 20:10 |
Wow!! You lot are amazing,I cant thank you enough,Its so exciting. how do you find out so much in such a short time? I'm just trying to get my head round it all. What is the best site to use? How far can a person go back? Can I get copies of all marriage certificates? I have so much to learn. Wish they did classes to teach us how to use the site. How do I save what I find Jemimafawr?. Thank you all so much for your help finding my Great grand parents and family. Julie.
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