General Chat

I was RR'd for repeating someone's words back at them. Surely the original should be RR'd as well, if the words were against Ts & Cs. I wonder why not.

;-)

A bit pathetic, really.

I'm sure it will be back, I've never had an RR upheld yet.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/18/geert-wilders-netherlands-describes-immigrants-scum-holland

As I said the voters may rebel in certain other EU countries.

I got a wonderful surprise visitor so I've just got back on here and found Guinevere has been RRd.

What on earth did she write that got reported? :-0

Who would rr Guinevere? Brexiters?
Why is Ukip still making fast and loose with fake News?

Well for one I'm glad there is peace in Ireland my mother and siblings grew up there her eldest sister 1901 down to my mum in 1922 they could not get a proper job could not vote and mum had to come over here to marry my dad cos he was C of E so what ever I TB I think he and Major before done the best they could not saying they could have done better and our Queen has been outstanding in all of this has well

Well, here's something we can all be be happy about now that Northern Ireland is mentioned.

Aren't you pleased you are not going to be Tony Blair, Martin McG or Gerry A knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door?

Too late Ethel. :-0

And that's just a few of them.

For the non-believers, time to hedge your bets? ;-)

Oh dear, this conversation is getting sad and silly! Better things to do so will leave you all to it!!

" If you did, he would be right, you would be stupid, ill educated, and very naive!!"

Thus is described a UKIP voter.

Just a fair assessment of a devious politician, or are you seriously denying the lies that led to the war in Iraq, the ill equipped troops and the slanted deal in NI?!! If so, then you are more ill informed than first imagined.

It is so boring when people just parrot stuff from the tabloid press.
Surely there are better role models than the merry crew of Ukip?

Tony Blair is one of the most dishonest politicians of all time. He led this country by lies and devious means into a war that cost the lives of hundreds of our service men and women, sending them into conflict totally ill equipped, causing unnecessary life changing injuries and death for which he was responsible and in doing so was guilty of a complete dereliction of duty and care. As a by the by he also cost the lives of thousands of civilians, and left behind chaos. He wriggled his way out of the Chilcott inquiry, he organised a deal in NI whereby the atrocities of the IRA were swept clean, but surprise surprise, British soldiers can be prosecuted till the end of time!! Led by the nose by George Bush, now led by the same nose by Herr Junker! Why suddenly is the the good of this country so important?!! Don't t make me laugh! A nice little earner on that gravy train sounds much more likely!! Why on earth would anyone in their right mind believe such a Charleton. If you did, he would be right, you would be stupid, ill educated, and very naive!!

BTW the Single Market was largely the creation of Thatcher. The liberalisation Of EU air travel, banking telecoms. The rationalisation of Cap and fishing were all Brit led. now we are throwing out the baby with the bathwater. For what?

French politics is not remotely like the UK. The two rounds of voting are designed to shut such people as le Pen out as she would - like her father - be unable to survive the crushing anti vote. her support is very localised and nil in the French parliament. Current French polls have 2nd round Macron 70% le Pen 30%. A very hard line on brexit is universally popular. In Germany Merkels variable geometry coalition will have no problem staying in power. Zero support for creating a shadow free market for the UK.
BREXIT is going to hurt. Badly.
Next on: the € 60bn exit bill.

Not only was Tony Blair the wrong person to deliver the message, considering there is forthcoming by-election in a labour stronghold who predominantly voted leave, his timing was way off.

Although he was a breath of fresh air when he first became Prime Minister, by the time he left, his actions had upset a large number of the electorate regardless of any party loyalty.

Somehow I doubt if the Continental EU electorate will elect a far right leader or party to power, although the results may prove a surprise to the ‘establishment’. Individual countries have too much to lose.

Had De Gaulle not blocked our attempts to join the Common Market back in the day, the UK may have felt more ‘ownership’ and have been able to shape its development to something that most British people would be comfortable with.

IMO the UK is the first off the sinking ship. Before anyone comments about how the UK will be financially ruined by brexit let's see what the people in the EU countries due to express their concerns this year through voting say first.

T May and Jez Corbyn are in a bitter fight to show utter lack of savvyness. So far Jez is ahead but not by much. The winner hopes to "own" Brexit.

One mark of a savvy politician is always have a way back. Smug Dave obviously failed. All of the current contenders are busy painting themselves into corners and engaging in inappropriate relationships.

So there you go brexit early days UK out of stock on savvy. SOMEBODY surely is going to notice the pulverising effect of the soggy £ on N H S finances. They will need a bit more savvy than evinced by J Hunt and T May.
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I agree, IGP, and I have no time for Blair.

The approximate percentage of the electorate who voted Brexit was just over 27%. Just over 25% voted Remain.

Cameron appeared to be too smug and paid for it. His common sense and that of his advisers left a lot to be desired. He should have insisted on 'the majority of the electorate' and he would have got his way.

A huge mistake and bad or no advice.

Upon reflection, perhaps it is good that he resigned because, after all, do we want a PM whose political nous is lacking or who chooses inept advisers?

I hope Theresa May is more savvy.

What "the people" want and what they get tend to be very different things..
The fate of brexit will be determined in Berlin and Brussels not London - this time the brexiters are up against the 90%.
T May's "plan" has already been castigated as surreal and undeliverable.
Whether support for brexit will ebb as reality dawns is difficult to say. The popular press will invoke the "Dunkirk spirit" and cast EU biz and politicians as the enemy, remainers as traitors.
It is likely though that we are at the beginning of several years of chaos which will bring nothing good to most Brits.
My own guess is that the UK will slide into insolvency from which it will get a v tough rescue from the imf, euroland at the price of rejoining the EU this time with no exceptions.

There is an upcoming series on BBC about the rescue of a GB occupied by the Third Reich and a major movie about Dunkirk 1940 in June. Read the runes.

Never had any time for the Blair man but must say if you take time to read what he has actually said it makes a lot of sense.

The brexit brigade spouted hot air and lies throughout the campaign so why should we believe a word they are telling us now. Even more hot air and still no proper plan as far as I can see.

The people didn't want brexit 'en masse' the vote was by a small majority.

Why was it the main item on the news?

Is it part of a conspiracy to make sure that Labour does badly on Thursday thus putting more pressure on Jeremy to quit?