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Derek
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7 Mar 2017 07:59 |
Hi,
Looking for some help with a Thomas J Kennedy married to an Ellen Shine.
She married Thomas in March 1927 in Islington.
Ellen Shine was born on 8th Sept 1904 and died in June 1982 at the age of 77.
They had 5 children.
We are finding it hard to find anything more about Thomas and so any help would be very much appreciated.
Many Thanks,
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LondonBelle
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7 Mar 2017 08:08 |
1939 Register Thomas Kennedy b 26 Oct 1904 Occ LMS RY Horse Driver Ellen Kennedy b 08 Sep 1904 Patricia Kennedy (Vidler) 08 May 1935 Kathleen Kennedy (Sell) 28 Jul 1931 There is one closed entry
Address 72 Havelock Street, Islington
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7 Mar 2017 08:13 |
Their marriage cert should give his father's name
If you haven't got it this is the reg
First name(s) THOMAS J Last name KENNEDY Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1927 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ THOMAS J KENNEDY married Ellen Shine Spouse's last name Shine District Islington District number - County London Country England Volume 1B Page 431 Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2008 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain © Findmypast
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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7 Mar 2017 08:15 |
This could be his birth. Reg in 4 th qtr would tie with an oct birth
THOMAS JAMES Last name KENNEDY Birth year 1904 Birth quarter 4 Registration month - Mother's last name - District Holborn County London Country England Volume 1B Page 657 Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain © Findmypast
Possible death
First name(s) THOMAS J Last name KENNEDY Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1904 Age 56 Death quarter 2 Death year 1960 District Fulham County London Volume 5C Page 444 Country England Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain © Findmypast
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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7 Mar 2017 08:25 |
Maybe. But you need his marriiage cert for his father's name
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 30 Gifford Street Barnsbury N, Islington, London, England
Edward Kennedy Head Married Male Printers Labourer 47 1864 St Pancras Transcription Charlotte Kennedy Wife Married Female - 42 1869 St Pancras Transcription Edward Kennedy Son Single Male Printers Labourer 19 1892 St Pancras London Transcription Elizabeth Kennedy Daughter Single Female - 16 1895 St Pancras London Transcription Alexander Kennedy Son - Male School 14 1897 St Pancras London Transcription Ellen Kennedy Daughter - Female School 10 1901 St Pancras London Transcription Annie Kennedy Daughter - Female School 3 1908 St Pancras London Transcription Thomas Kennedy Son - Male School 6 1905 St Pancras
Note Holborn reg district was abolished in the 1960,s to become St Pancras so would tie with the place of birth given
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Derek
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7 Mar 2017 08:26 |
Thank You,
I have the above information although I did not know that he was a horse driver, someone in the family did mention he used to deliver coal.
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LondonBelle
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7 Mar 2017 08:34 |
I'm wondering whether LMS RY.stands for London Midland & Scottish Railway?
Perhaps he delivered coal to the steam trains
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Derek
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7 Mar 2017 08:49 |
Yes I will send off for the marriage certificate and that looks very promising thank you :-)
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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7 Mar 2017 13:02 |
Come back when you have the marriage cert and we can try to help further
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Derek
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16 Mar 2017 16:46 |
Finally received their marriage certificate and now have the following information:
Thomas Kennedy married Ellen Shine on the 20 March 1927 in caledonian Road Islington.
Father was Edward Kennedy
Thomas was a Railway Porter.
All the above information I now have and have verified if anyone has anything they could add would be great.
Many Thanks
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16 Mar 2017 20:18 |
Assuming the birth posted earlier is correct, this is the version from GRO giving his mother's maiden name
Name: ........Mother's Maiden Surname: KENNEDY, THOMAS JAMES .....ALLEN GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 657
Other siblings as shown on the 1911 census as posted above
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: KENNEDY, EDWARD JOSEPH ALLEN GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 664
KENNEDY, ELIZABETH MAY ALLEN GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 665
KENNEDY, ALEXANDER ALLEN GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 698
It would seem that Ms Allen died prior to Ellen's birth as she has a different mother's maiden name
This marriage would 'fit' if Charlotte was herself a widow.
Marriages Jun 1899 (>99%) Kennedy Edward Holborn 1b 1356 <<<< Smith Charles Vidal F Holborn 1b 1356 Stratford Charlotte Elizabeth Holborn 1b 1356 <<<< Wakefield Emily Harriett Holborn 1b 1356
Ellen's birth KENNEDY, ELLEN LOUISE (mmn) WAKELIN GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 686
Strangely, the 1911 census says that Charlotte has been married for 25 years. Back to the drawing board? :-S
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19 Mar 2017 08:58 |
DetEcTive,
Think Ellen Louise birth that you have is a different family:
Marriages Jun 1893 Kennedy George Louis London C. 1c 4 WAKELIN Jane Louisa London C. 1c 4
Ellen Louise is with George and Jane in 1901 and 1911
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19 Mar 2017 09:09 |
Thanks for sorting that one out Patchem :-)
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Derek
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21 Mar 2017 09:16 |
it is an odd one as the 1911 census has the correct children on there, but is showing that 1 had died..... i haven't the foggiest who, Plus Charlotte didn't exist before this census and a Mary did. Im struggling to find a death between 1901 and 1911 and a marriage to a Charlotte :-S
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21 Mar 2017 10:35 |
maybe Edward KENNEDY mis-transcribed as Edward KENLEY
Marriages Sep 1889
ALLEN Charlotte Mary Pancras 1b 258 Kenley Edward Pancras 1b 258
Births Dec 1889
Kennedy Charles Edward Holborn 1b 708
KENNEDY, CHARLES EDWARD ALLEN GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 708
London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 ? Name:Charles Edwin Kennedy
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:13 Oct 1889
Father's name:Edward Kennedy (Printer)
Mother's name:Charlotte Mary Kennedy
Parish or Poor Law Union:Holy Redeemer, Exmouth Market
Borough:Islington
Register Type:Parish Registers
Address - 7 Chapel Row
London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 ? Name:Alexander James Kennedy
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:29 Aug 1897
Father's name:Edward Kennedy
Mother's name:Charlotte Kennedy
Parish or Poor Law Union:Holy Redeemer, Exmouth Market
Borough:Islington
Register Type:Parish Registers
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21 Mar 2017 10:59 |
surname mis-transcribed -
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
4, Godson Street, Clerkenwell, Holborn, London, England
Edward Kennelly Head Married Male 38 1863 Printers Labourer Somers Town, Middlesex, England Charlotte Kennelly Wife Married Female 34 1867 - Pattingham, Staffordshire, England Charles Kennelly Son - Male 11 1890 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Edward Kennelly Son - Male 8 1893 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Kennelly Daughter - Female 5 1896 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Alec Kennelly Son - Male 3 1898 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
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Derek
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21 Mar 2017 11:29 |
Now this is making sense!! he was a printers labourer, i have followed them both from 1918 to 1954 at their home address and she finally started putting Charlotte Mary as her name, so that also confirmed that there was just one person lol! Plus i don't have Charles, so he could be the missing child that died....
Thank you so much!
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