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Hi, trying to find the final resting place of James Helliwell my great great grandmothers husband. (her second marriage- Dinah Johnson/Littlewood)
James Helliwell was born in 1816 possibly Surcoats?
Baptised in Leeds Parish Church.
Death 1860 4th quarter, showing Leeds. yet he and the family lived in Stansfield and Cornholme Todmorden?
James and Dinah lived in Todmorden (originally Leeds) they married at Leeds Parish church-St.Peters on the 27/Oct /1844.
I have a picture of Dinah's grave stone and on it, it says wife of James Helliwell of Sowerby Bridge, but he is not on the stone. His father is William Helliwell. Hope someone can help. thanks. Val.

Why not buy James' death certificate? That'll tell you where he died and possibly where he was living at the time.
You can then search cemeteries & records fanning out from that address.

Hi, Thought about it but so far I have found conflicting dates and places for his death, dates more so, the only thing I could order would be 1860, not sure if that would be enough.
Thanks. Val.

There's several deaths between 1851 and.1861 Todmorden reg district

Did they have children during that period if so that would narrow down a death from the birth of the last child

So they had a five year old

VIEW 1861 England Census

Name: Dinah Helliwell
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: 1813
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bolton Abbey, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Stansfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Ripon
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:widow

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Registration district: Todmorden
Sub-registration district: Todmorden
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Piece: 3234
Folio: 22
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Dinah Helliwell 48
Wm H Helliwell 14
James Helliwell 12
John Helliwell 10
Elizabeth Helliwell 5
John Littlerood 24
John Whiteley 13
Fenton Whiteley 11

Cants see one on the gro record of a suitable age other than this one but he died after the census I think,

HELLIWELL, JAMES 48 Order
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in TODMORDEN Volume 09A Page 148

Hi, Their last child born 1856 a girl Elizabeth. Dinah his wife is registered as a widow in 1861.

Hi, Shirley, thanks for this I will order a certificate and take it from there.
Thanks. Val. :-)

Not trying to confuse you but there are 2 James Helliwells' buried 1861. in TODMORDEN.

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1861 (>99%)
Helliwell James Todmorden 9a 163

Deaths Sep 1861 (>99%)
Helliwell James Todmorden 9a 148

Pity they don't show on .the 1851 to see if he was still alive then

This to is about the right age

HELLIWELL, JAMES 45
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in TODMORDEN Volume 21 Page 563

I know there was two later chiidren but not that's unknown !!

Sue
I checked the ages on the Gro record and the june qtr one was aged 13

Shirley,
Couild that be his son..

Look at the census above.

Could be , sue

Saw below...

Chris :)

22 August 1861 - Bradford Observer - Bradford, West Yorkshire, England

Halifax
A Man Killed by the Overturning of his Cart - James Helliwell, aged 46, of Stansfield, was killed on Monday at Stoodley Bridge, by the overturning of his cart in which he was riding.


07 November 1884 - Todmorden & District News - Todmorden, West Yorkshire

Death
Helliwell - On the 6th inst., aged 71 years. Dinah Helliwell, Sunny-bank. Cornholme, Stansfield, Sutcliffe.

So that 1861 one i posted looks to be him

Why did she say she was a widow on the 1861 census which was taken on the 7th April ???

(although...wife Mary on below!)

Chris :)

All England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 (Ancestry)

James Helliwell
19 Aug 1861 Yorkshire, England. Probate Year 1862

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

(also on above)

At last !! Here they are in 1851 big mistranscription . Will do a correction

James Hallswell
in the 1851 England Census
Name: James Hallswell
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Dinah Hallswell
Gender: Male
Where born: Turcost, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Leeds St Andrew
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Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:dyer

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 2c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 78
Piece: 2321
Folio: 68
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hallswell 51
Dinah Hallswell 39
Johnson Lettlewood Hallswell 14
William Hellewell 4
James Hellewell 2
John Hellewell 4 Mo

Source Citation
Class: HO107; Piece: 2321; Folio: 68; Page: 20; GSU roll: 87549-87552
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1851 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.

Dinahs son

Johnson Littlewood
in the 1841 England Census
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Name: Johnson Littlewood
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Almondbury
Hundred: Agbrigg (Upper Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Honley
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1274
Book: 3
Folio: 7
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Dinah Littlewood 25 occ woollen cloth maker
Johnson Littlewood 4

Was she a widow when she married James helliwell

Johnson Littlewood
Birth Date: 14 Jul 1836
Gender: Male
Event Type: Baptism
Father: Walter Littlewood
Mother: Dinah Littlewood
Baptism Date: 15 Sep 1836
Baptism Place: Honley, Yorkshire, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 3387: Honley, Honley Moor Cottom Chapel (Independent), 1795-1837


Looks like it

Deaths Jun 1840
Littlewood Walter Huddersfield 22 212

They were in Huddersfield reg district in 1841,

She was Dinah Johnson


Walter Littlewood
mentioned in the record of Walter Littlewood and Dinah Johnson
Name Walter Littlewood
Spouse's Name Dinah Johnson
Event Date 19 Apr 1835
Event Place Almondbury, Holme-Bridge, York, England


The youngest child

HELLIWELL, ELIZABETH JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in LEEDS Volume 09B Page 354

And
HELLIWELL, JAMES JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in LEEDS Volume 23 Page 482

So children were registered


Edit just realised the significance of the names is your opening enquiry