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Hi All,
I have been away from this and am picking this up again it is a lot for me to take in and I am still working slowing through the evidence but can you please help me confirm:

Lois Jukes was
Born 1883
M1903 to John Haywood
D? I am unsure can you se if you make it Sheffield 1960 or am I going wrong?
Thank you,

Vicky.
:-(

Vicky .............


this is what greyghost posted on p.1 of this thread

ALL can be found on the GRO Index site

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
HAYWOOD, VICTOR WILLIAM JUKES Order
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 436

HAYWOOD, PHYLLIS JUKES Order
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 417

HAYWOOD, SAMUEL JUKES Order
GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 411

HAYWOOD, FRANK JUKES Order
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 397

HAYWOOD, JOHN JUKES Order
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 397

HAYWOOD, LESLIE JUKES Order
GRO Reference: 1913 S Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 733 Order

HAYWOOD, FRANK JUKES Order
GRO Reference: 1917 S Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 588


GRO Index, you have to register but it is free. Mother's maiden name shown for records from July 1 1837 to 1919 .......

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Click on Order certificates online

Click on Search the GRO historical birth and .....

Scroll down to LogIn (this is where you register)

Click on Submit

Click on Search the Gro Index

Click on births (deaths)

All the births I posted showed mmn as Jukes.

ie. from the GRO site I posted
Name: ...........................................Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
HAYWOOD, VICTOR WILLIAM ........JUKES
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 436


and from freebmd
Surname..... First name(s)........ Mother .........District Vol Page
Births Dec 1922 (>99%)

Haywood... Hadyn ...........Jukes ........Basford 7b 322


Where have you got the ages from that you say Frank and John died. The GRO reference only shows age 0

I am slowly working through and looking up your suggestions which look great. Lois's children the twins Frank and John born 1911, I can see Frank died 18 days old and John was 5 months old both in Burton Upon Trent in Staffordshire.

Then looking at Frank 1917 I am pretty sure he belongs to the this family because it states mother as Jukes but if not sure for certain who the 1911 boys mother definitely is as I don't think it stated Jukes or did you see Jukes stated for the twins?

greyghost posted .......

"As usual with any record, they are not necessarily 100% accurate e.g. DOB's"


True!!

Never believe ages or birth dates on any census etc etc

My grandfather lied about his date of birth for most of his life, including on censuses, jointing up in WW1, and on the 1939 Register. I think it started when he lied about his age on his marriage certificate (my grandmother also lied)

He even lied to his family ............... so his death registration is also wrong.

His son found a birth certificate hidden at the back of a drawer some weeks after grandfather's death, but did not go back to the Registrar to see about correcting the death registration


In view of the above ................ I always use birth year +/- 2 when searching records. extending the range to +/- 5 or even +/- 10 if I get no results the first time around.

The 1939 register was a record of everyone in the country (apart from those in the Forces) taken on September 29th 1939 just after WW2 commenced. It enabled ID cards and ration books to be issued and to ID those who were of the age to be called up. Later it became the basis for the NHS system as everyone had unique numbers. It was updated to around 1991 after which computers were used.

Due to privacy rules anyone under the age of 100 and not proved to have died should not be shown on the register - they are the closed records.

It will show name changes i.e. when a women married.
Only names, DOB's, address and occupation show, along sometimes with the odd comment such as member of the AFS, Red Cross etc

Very useful as the 1931 census was destroyed in WW2 and there was no 1941 census.

As usual with any record, they are not necessarily 100% accurate e.g. DOB's

Sorry - what does a closed record indicate?

Lois's parents marriage. Dudley RD spans Staffs and Worcs

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1872 (>99%)
Hayward Frederick Dudley 6c 55
Jukes John Dudley 6c 55 <<<<<<<<<
SHAW Hannah Dudley 6c 55 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Wilkes Eliza Dudley 6c 55
Wilks Eliza Dudley 6c 55

Marriage certificate will give ages at marriage, occupations and the names/occupations of Fathers to help Identify them earlier.

You should get certificates to prove each generation.

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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Linton Heath, Linton (Derby), Burton upon Trent, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
John Jukes Head Married Male 26 1855 Woodside, Worcestershire, England Coal Miner
Hannah Jukes Wife Married Female 30 1851 Woodside, Worcestershire, England -
William Jukes Son Single Male 5 1876 Castle Gresley, Derbyshire, England Scholar
Beatrice Ann Jukes Daughter Single Female 0 1881 Linton, Derbyshire, England -

Ages of John and Hannah out from transcribed ages in 1891 posted earlier - see EDIT of that post

A possibility for Frank

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) FRANK
Last name HAYWOOD
Gender Male
Birth day 28
Birth month 6
Birth year 1917
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1986
District Basford
Register number 586
County Nottinghamshire
Volume 8
Page 51

Not seeing him on the 1939 register - he could have already been in the Forces so wouldn't show.

There are 4 possible marriages in Notts 1940-1950 - find on freebmd site. Could have married anywhere or not at all.

Think this might be Leslie. Only 2 born 1913 and the other was Q4

Alldread Household (8 People)
Manor Club Albert Road , West Bridgford U.D., Nottinghamshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Leslie Haywood 27 May 1913 Male Department Manager (Mis? & Not F?) Married 277 3
John K Alldread 03 Apr 1914 Male Secretary (Manor Club) Married 277 1
Joyce M (Molly Doreen) Alldread 07 Apr 1921 Female Housewife Married 277 2
Renee Ridgway (Haywood) 15 Dec 1915 Female Housewife Married 277 4
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Mary E Bayley (Kirkman) 09 Jan 1915 Female Main (Mason Club) Single 277 6
Joseph Alldread 14 Oct 1892 Male Turf Accountant Married 277 7
Florence Alldread 18 Sep 1886 Female Housewife Married 277 8

Other info - John was Full Time and Leslie was part time Auxilliary Fire Service

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2 births show to marriage - one probably the closed record on 1939 register

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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1937 (>99%)
Alldread Renée Haywood Basford 7b 601
Haywood Leslie Alldread Basford 7b 601

The entry for Renee on the 1939 indicates she remarried - a marriage shows up 1945 in Basford RD which could be her. Not seeing a death for Leslie (even on cwgc site looking for War dead) - ? they divorced. A death shows for a Renee Ridgeway in 1999 Rushcliffe RD, DOB as per 1939 register

A probate record shows for that name - died 25th December. Registry is Manchester, but doesn't mean it's not the right record
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk
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https://www.deceasedonline.com Renee was Cremated 10 Jan 2000. A frew credits on Deceasedonline will give more details but very few as so recent. The cremation probably took place at Wilford Hill Crematorium, West Bradford, Nottingham

Vicky ...... you cannot have more than 1 tree on GR, under the same ID

There is a free membership option ................. sign up for this, with a different email address, and then you can have another tree.

Use a free email supplier such as Gmail or Yahoo, and a different password.


You can take out as many free memberships as you like, as long as you have a different email address and password for each one ;-)

May I ask, I have previously worked on my own family tree but can I keep my tree and start a Haywood tree separately? because I belong to Genes which I actually find easier to work with but have also joined another family history site so I can have separate trees.

OMG thank you so much for all this help which is amazing I shall take it to work with me to digest it all. Regarding Haydn his name is spelt differently in two places but is the same person. This is all so clever its mind blowing. Thank you once again Vicky. Look forward to tomorrows installments! :-D

Got to leave it there for now, will look in later or tomorrow

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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1933 (>99%)
Haywood Samuel Knapp Basford 7b 733
Knapp Lily Haywood Basford 7b 733

Not seeing children to marriage

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??living with her Father
Kanapp Household (3 People) (Should read Knapp)
30 Brickyard , Hucknall U.D., Nottinghamshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Samuel Haywood 25 Jan 1909 Cooperation Grocer Shop Am
William Kanapp 02 Jul 1860 Coalmining Above Ground Belong Re?
Lily Haywood 18 Mar 1902 Unpaid Domestic Duties

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?? DOB 2 days out from 1939 register
Deaths Mar 1979 (>99%)
HAYWOOD SAMUEL 27JA1909 NOTTINGHAM 8 884

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

Marriages Sep 1937 (>99%)
Haywood Phyllis Hinksman Nottingham 7b 1130
Hinksman William G Haywood Nottingham 7b 1130

Not seeing births to the marriage

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1939 -
Hinksman Household (2 People)
20 Prospect Road , Carlton U.D., Nottinghamshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Phyllis Hinksman 13 Jul 1906 Hosiery Overlocker
William G Hinksman 26 Aug 1895 Builders Joiner Fixed

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England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription - not available on freebmd as only goes to c 1983 at latest

Print Add to treeFirst name(s) PHYLLIS
Last name HINKSMAN
Gender Female
Birth day 13
Birth month 7
Birth year 1906
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1986
District Nottingham
Register number 486
County Nottinghamshire
Volume 8
Page 986

1939 Register
Haywood Household (4 People)
94 Scalford Road , Melton Mowbray U.D., Leicestershire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Victor W Haywood 04 Apr 1904 Office Manager Corn & Feedin Stuf
Elsie Haywood 16 Dec 1904 Unpaid Domestic Dutie
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Peter J Haywood 26 Jun 1938 Under School Age

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1930 (>99%)

Haywood Victor W Thorpe Basford 7b 486
THORPE Elsie Haywood Basford 7b 486

possible births to the couple show on the freebmd site
EDIT - the Melton Mowbray ones looking at where the family were in 1939

Deaths Dec 1980 (>99%)
Surname First name(s) DoB District Vol Page
HAYWOOD VICTOR WILLIAM 4AP1904 MACCLESFIELD 35 705

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk -

Probate - Victor William Haywood of 10 Hillside Ct Macclesfield died 1 Dec 1980 Administration Manchester 22 January

Haywood Household (3 People)
20 Byron Street , Arnold U.D., Nottinghamshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Lois Haywood 09 Dec 1881 Unpaid Domestic Duties
John Haywood 03 Sep 1877 Lorry Driver Mate Coal Merchant

there is also 1 closed record - possibly Hadyn, although if he died in 1983 the record should have been opened

**his death in 1983 Chichester RD shows name spelt Haydn. DOB shown as 18.9.1922

The first Frank Haywood died soon after birth .............

Deaths Jun 1911 (>99%)
Haywood Frank 0 Burton 6b 217


Then they named another child after him, the one born in 1917


Possibly John also died??

Deaths Dec 1911 (>99%)
Haywood John 0 Burton 6b 449