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St Brelade Warley Mount Essex

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John

John Report 17 Feb 2019 12:19

My uncle Arthur Frederick Joslin was born 1910 in the above premises.
Does anyone know what this building was -It no longer exists -now housing
regards
John

SuffolkVera

SuffolkVera Report 17 Feb 2019 12:42

Do you think St Brelade was simply the name of the house at Warley Mount where your uncle was born? There was a mental hospital at Warley but I don’t think it ever went by the name St Brelade. In 1910 it was known as the Essex County Lunatic Asylum.

My bet is on the house in Warley Mount having a name rather than a number. Have you checked where your uncle was in the 1911 census?

Kense

Kense Report 17 Feb 2019 13:30

The Essex Record Office has a sale catalogue including that property dated 1914

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 17 Feb 2019 13:53

Looking at the 1911 census it seems to have been an ordinary dwelling place, as only the one family living there. I found this record by ADDRESS search, not by looking for the family.


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

St Brelade Warley Mount, Shenfield, Essex, England

Herbert Edward Joslin Head Married Male 30 1881 Great Warley Essex Carman
Dorothy Joslin Wife Married Female 24 1887 Orsett Essex -
Arthur Frederick Joslin Son Single Male 1 1910 Brentwood Essex

Previous census images were for 2, The Chase, and 10, Myrtle Rd. The two following census entries were for Warwick,Warley Mount, and " Kirkham" Warley Chase, so it looks like some houses were individually named.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 17 Feb 2019 14:06

The same address in 1901 . The house names for Warley Mount are in brackets, Warwick, Kirkham, St Brelade etc.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

(St Brelade), Warley Mount, Shenfield, Billericay, Essex, England

Charles C Maistre Head Married Male 30 1871 Jersey, Channel Islands Electrical Engineer
Jessie Maistre Wife Married Female 32 1869 Hertfordshire, England -
Jane Ottaway Servant Single Female 50 1851 Harwich, Essex, England Cook Domestic
Mary Allen Servant Single Female 26 1875 Yaxley, Huntingdonshire, England Housemaid Domestic

So just a normal domestic dwelling.

Island

Island Report 17 Feb 2019 14:27

11 rooms in 1911 so of a decent size.

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 17 Feb 2019 14:29

St Bredale is an area on Jersey so looks like Charles C Maistre is the person most likely to have named the house.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 17 Feb 2019 14:43

I think Pat might be on to something with the naming - see where the head of house hold at "Kirkham" comes from...

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

(Kirkham), Warley Mount, Shenfield, Billericay, Essex, England

Arthur E Chick Head Married Male 41 1860 Kirkham, Yorkshire, England Tea Merchant & Impt Agent
Beatrice E Chick Wife Married Female 35 1866 Chelmsford, Essex, England -
Arthur L Chick Son - Male 9 1892 Harringay, Middlesex, England -
Alan F Chick Son - Male 7 1894 Shenfield, Essex, England -
John H T Chick Son - Male 4 1897 Shenfield, Essex, England -
Clara Chick Mother Widow Female 72 1829 Edmonton, Middlesex, England -
Louisa Hammond Servant Single Female 18 1883 Shenfield, Essex, England General Domestic

Didn't work for "Warwick" though.

John

John Report 19 Feb 2019 11:16

thanks to all that have replied - It does seem to be a large house - I imagine my grandfather must have rented the property- I would not thought he could have afforded to have purchased the property. His occupation was a carman - what that was - He certainly could ride horses- have photos of him in the WW1 sitting on a horse . He also served in the Boer War another picture of him in the Cape looking like he is in the cavalry .

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 19 Feb 2019 11:27

A Carman was someone who drove a horse & cart for delivering goods.

Perhaps the house was sub-let into rooms or used to house employees?