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As usual a sad attempt at an insult...of course we can read Rollo.

You did state Vox pop history but you also slagged off the show and the channel it was on. As you say you can't have it both ways.

As for the hiring and firing....whoppi so have many of us over the years, what's that got to do with this thread other than you're bored? As for the written CV I get your point but how very quaint surprised "your" HR dept allow it as everyone asks for applications online these days well in big companies/corpaorations anyway.

So, according to RTR, 'polemics are truly boring'
Much more of a (as RTR would say) 'larf' to post an insulting/inappropriate clip from youtube isn't it?

Well, the majority of 'Yesterday's' programmes are sourced from the BBC programme archives.

...so it appears the BBC are rubbish too!

I wonder just what channels are considered worth watching?

Are we meant to be appreciative of your informing us what your 'demands' are in the way of a CV? Impressed that you're hiring and firing?

In your dreams.

If you can read I said that vox pop history is fine with me it often does a lot of good. Saves people from being the slaves of time just because they didn't know what went on before.

As to the nascent fascism in England, led by UKIP 2.0, no.

I am spending a very boring weekend going through a large number of CVs I have wrested from Human Resources. Next week or so hiring ( not many ) and firing ( more ). I always demand a written CV - it tends to hold a lot more truth and is unlikely to be a download from the internet.

Beware

"But all the towns and people seem
To fade into a bad dream
And the steel rails still ain't heard the news
The conductor sings his songs again
The passengers will please refrain
This train has got the disappearing railroad blues"

Oh for crying out loud Rollo no one said it was the most in-depth documentary but it was a good example that everyone could understand/follow. Not everything is meant to be highly academic, doesn't mean it's not correct.

As for dragging Brexit into it and inferring everyone that's for Brexit is Fascist give it a break will you.

mw polemics are truly boring
nuff said

What we have learned is:
If 'someone' doesn't like something - it's (apparently) rubbish
'Someone' doesn't understand the 'manners' of forums.
Usually people don't come on just to be negative, with no reason.
'some' thinks it's okay.
None of us have (apparently) read as many books as a certain person

Every post by 'some' apparently HAS to have a political element, - as they believe everyone else is a political fool. They must believe they 'magically' know the way we vote as they appears to put the same stuff on ad nauseam.
If it's not a political comment, it's a 'put down'.

Yeh,yeh, yeh.

Your idea was that you and I should keep off each others threads which suited me very well.

If you want a thread to pose on, I would be grateful if you would start your own and not take over mine!

You can't have it both ways.

Either Yesterday, History channel are lightweight or they are not.
If you accept that they are then why do you criticise me for saying as much ?
I have no objections at all to vox pop history so why attribute opinions to me which I have never held?

Serious study of any subject must include basic source references. Whatever the subject these tend to be boring and rarely feature of tv shows of any genre. Ed China includes the essentials of automotive theory and practice from time to time but he is an exception. He got sacked for his pains.

In the case of Hitler's Germany much of the source data is seriously offensive to most people ( even in translation) which is another reason why it does not get much of an airing.

On current trends within a few years something akin to CrystalNight will occur in the UK.

This thread is becoming very dull. I think I might well pull it.

Yes, he was - year 1 undergraduate. Why not?
As you ask I had a low opinion of Shirer's work for all sorts of reasons.
I did resent having to buy a copy - no internet back then. Nearly all of the source texts at that time were held by UKGovt and heavily redacted or were in Garmany with restricted access + in German. Shirer was an easy intro into such agencies as the Sicherheitsdienst.

From an acedemic point of view Hitler's Germany is an instructive example of how to take over a state legally using its own legal system. One of my first year exams asked "contrast and compare" this approach with Russian Bolshevism.

The Tories started here with the 5 year Parliament Act which has made it next to impossible to remove even a minority govt by means of a vote of no confidence. If this Act is not repealed or the FPTP voting system replaced with PR then some form of dictatorship is inevitable.

Oh well done!
Shame you then go totally off topic

What you have to understand, is that TV programmes are not made specifically for you - there are others who may be interested.
Surely you know TV companies have, in reality to go for the highest audience.
Children study WWII at school- so they could watch this (to my mind) excellent programmme, and learn a lot.

Strangely, RTR, you're not the only person who read many books whilst at University.
A lot of the books I read were about Nazism, third Reich, Propaganda etc.
I won't 'claim' they were 'required' reading - I read them totally off my own back - they were just valuable for essays on Religion, and comparative methods of persuasion.

To be honest, I couldn't name them - I've read many other books since I was at Uni so don't actually 'need' to remember the titles in an attempt to impress.- however, they are upstairs, but I can't be bothered looking for them just to prove something to you.

yes I have seen it and several others on the subject of Hitler's Germany.

They do no harm informing people who often do not know and/or are incredulous that such things went on in the heart of Europe within living memory and experience.
At the end of the day this kind of program is bound by all kinds of red lines and is bound to be lightweight. Lightweight in terms of just what horrors it can delvier to your desktop, tv or mobile phone and lightweight in terms of Goebbels, Rohm and Speer on contemporary politics.

As I write UKIP is morphing into a straight replica of the SA.

My extended family have fought fascism home and abroad since the early 1930s and have shed blood in the cause. That we still have to do so is shameful.

Rollo, you know as well as I do that William Shirer would not be required reading fo a law student.
Do come off it dear.

If I fancied bit of a sing-song about the Nazis, it would be the one about the Albert Hall.

One can only presume, RTR, after your comment about how 'lightweight' you consider
Yesterday and the History Channel, that you've watched the programme.
I mean, heaven forfend you would pass judgement on a programme you hadn't watched.
What's your considered opinion on it?

Shirer "The Rise of the Third Reich" was on my required reading list back in the day at uni. where I read Law.

Albert Speer "Inside the Third Reich" takes a student closer to seeing how the irrational came to power and remained there until defeated by external powers. Orwell dealt very well with the impossibility of removing an authoritarian regime from within.

There are any number of web sites with (free) online publications giving limpid witness to the Third Reich on a day to day basis. However if you don't speak German then there is no option but that of derivative texts. This is quite a good one:
https://spartacus-educational.com/GERcrystal.htm

IMHO Aaron Banks, Farage, UKIP, Brexit, Davis, Fox and their fellow travellers are fascists following in the bloody footsteps of the SA and Ernst Rohm.

"It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen."

That would be handy if you fancied a bit of a sing-along I suppose.

Or you could just have a read of some William Shirer. He was there watching it all unfold.

Yesterday / History channel are pretty lightweight and will never get into the true horrors of Hitler's Germany. fwiw the technqiues of Goebbels are still widely taught and used in modern politics & advertising.

by far the most effective way to destroy fascists is to take the p I ss
but if you want to light a candle for Horst Wessel try this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5mUlyHwwwY
https://www.anesi.com/east/horstw.htm

Not sure who you thought you were being funny at there Rollo.....Sharron had mentioned a serious documentary and the easiest way for me to see it was on YouTube.

That is a scene from a musical so you would do as well to watch 'The Lonely Goatherd' on YouTube.

However, should you wish to watch some National Socialist Propaganda made to please the masses ('bread and circuses'?), 'Triumph of the Will', is available in it's entirety on YouTube.