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25 Mar 2013 21:41 |
ELSPETH, WAS MY GRT.GRT. GRANDMOTHER. SHE MARRIED MY GRT.GRT.GRANDFATHER MATTHEW COATES RUTHERFORD in 1872 WHIO WAS STEPFATHER TO HER SON WILLIAM BEVERIDGE GILLESPIE.
WOULD APPRECIATE FURTHER BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON ELSPETH OR MATTHEW'S FAMILY.
MANY THANKS. AVRIL
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25 Mar 2013 22:16 |
Avril
Did you mean to post on this board as hardly a lookup for living rellies
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25 Mar 2013 22:18 |
Which country ?
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25 Mar 2013 22:24 |
1881 SCOTLAND
Name: Matthew Rutherford Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Elspit Rutherford Gender: Male Where born: Port Caton, Haddington Registration number: 424 Registration district: Dunfermline Civil parish: Dunfermline County: Fife Address: 5 Water Row Occupation: Coal Miner ED: 24 Household schedule number: 201 Line: 13 Roll: cssct1881_118 Household Members: Name Age Matthew Rutherford 25 Elspit Rutherford 27 Willm Rutherford 8
If you have the marriage cert it gives the details of the parents.
FindMyPast and Ancestry have the transcriptions of 1841 - 1901 census but not the images.
Scotlandspeople is the best but not a subscription site and you would need to buy credits.
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rootgatherer
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26 Mar 2013 11:46 |
1891
Name: Matthew Rutherford Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Elspeth Rutherford Gender: Male Where born: Port Seaton, Waddingtonshire Registration number: 410 Registration district: Beath Civil parish: Beath County: Fife Address: No 10 Fairfield Occupation: Coal Miner ED: 2 Household schedule number: 10 Line: 22 Roll: CSSCT1891_124 Household Members: Name Age Matthew Rutherford 35 Elspeth Rutherford 38 William Gillespie 18 Stepson, b. Dunfermline
A correction note added for William
William Beveridge rather than William Gillespie This child was born 1872 William Gillespie Beveridge illegitimate son of Elspeth Beveridge (reputed father William Gillespie) his mother later married Mathew Rutherford .. in 1881 census he is shown as William Rutherford son of Matthew Rutherford....in this census (1891) he has named himself William Gillespie taking his birth fathers surname... he continued with the surname Gillespie until his death Submitted by normathain on 07/04/2012
1901
Name: Matthew Rutherford Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Elspeth Rutherford Gender: Male Where born: Seaton, Port Registration number: 405 Registration district: Auchterderran Civil parish: Auchterderran County: Fife Address: 11 Russell St Occupation: Coal Miner ED: 6 Household schedule number: 143 Line: 8 Roll: CSSCT1901_129 Household Members: Name Age Matthew Rutherford 45 Elspeth Rutherford 48 Possible mistranscription for Matthew in 1871 - as has already been said, the marriage certificate will give his parents' names including his mother's maiden surname.
Name: Mather Cates Rutherford Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relationship: Son Father's Name: George Rutherford Mother's name: Euphemia Rutherford Gender: Male Where born: Corl Satony, e lothian Registration number: 722 Registration district: Tranent Civil parish: Tranent Town: Tranent County: East Lothian Address: Boeguton Road Occupation: Miner ED: 5 Household schedule number: 12 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1871_173 Household Members: Name Age George Rutherford 44 Euphemia Rutherford 45 Mather Cates Rutherford 16 Margaret Rutherford 12 Jemima Rutherford 7 Daniel Rutherford 5 If he was born in 1855 then his birth registration will give more details than later ones. 1855 was the first year of statutory registration in Scotland and the authorities were still working out what information should be recorded.
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26 Mar 2013 11:49 |
A tree on Ancestry has
William Beveridge Gillespie
Birth 14 Aug 1873 in Townhill, Dunfermline, Fife Death Living Death
The tree gives details of his wife and children but no information other than names for his parents.
You really do need Matthew and Elspeth's marriage certificate for their parents names.
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26 Mar 2013 12:09 |
Wondered where Townhill came into it. I see that is where Matthew and Elspith married. Both gave there ages as 19 when they married on 11 November 1872. His father George, a Coal Miner and mother Euphemia (her maiden surname looks something like Bagie?). Elspith parents Richard, a Coal Miner and Agnes maiden surname Geddes.
1872 RUTHERFORD MATTHEW BEVERIDGE ELSPITH DUNFERMLINE LANDWARD /FIFE 424/02 0058
1851
Name: George Rutherford Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relationship: Head Spouse's Name: Euphemia Rutherford Gender: Male Where born: Tranent, haddingtonshire Parish Number: 722 Civil parish: Tranent Town: Tranent County: East Lothian Address: New Row Occupation: Coal Miner ED: 3 Page: 14 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 52 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1851_194 Household Members: Name Age George Rutherford 25 Euphemia Rutherford 25 b. Tranent, haddingtonshire David Badger 6 Visitor, b. Tranent, haddingtonshire Archd Rutherford 2 James Badger 19 Servant, Coal Miner, b. Tranent, haddingtonshire 1841
Name: George Rutherford Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Gender: Male Where born: East Lothian, Scotland Civil parish: Tranent County: East Lothian Address: Main Street Occupation: Coal M Parish Number: 722 Household Members: Name Age Archibald Rutherford 55 Margaret Rutherford 55 Elisabeth Rutherford 20 Janet Rutherford 20 Helen Rutherford 15 John Rutherford 15 William Rutherford 14 George Rutherford 14 (Remember that adult ages were rounded down to mutiples of 5 for the purposes of the 1841 census)
Euphemia not with her parents in 1841 (her death registration if she died after 1855 will give her parents names if the informant knew the details)
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Name: Euphemie Badger Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Female Where born: East Lothian, Scotland Civil parish: Prestonpans County: East Lothian Address: Prestonpurs Occupation: F S Parish Number: 718 Household Members: Name Age Charles Clark 35 Jannet Clark 25 Margret Clark 4 Agness Clark 2 Mary Ann Clark 3 Mo Agness Watt 20 Euphemie Badger 1
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26 Mar 2013 12:11 |
The James in 1841 that is living with George and Euphemia in 1851
Name: James Badge [James Badger] Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Gender: Male Where born: East Lothian, Scotland Civil parish: Tranent County: East Lothian Address: Main Street Parish Number: 722 Household Members: Name Age David Badge 41 Janet Badge 42 Janet Badge 11 James Badge 9 Moffat Badge 5 Jane Badge 2
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26 Mar 2013 12:20 |
1861
Name: Richard Beveridge Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Agnes Beveridge Gender: Male Where born: Dunfermline, fifeshire Registration number: 424/2 Registration district: Dunfermline Landward Civil parish: Dunfermline Landward County: Fife Address: Elgin Colliery Occupation: Coal Miner ED: 11 Household schedule number: 136 Line: 1 Roll: CSSCT1861_55 Household Members: Name Age Richard Beveridge 46 Agnes Beveridge 45 Agnes Beveridge 17 Mary Beveridge 10 Elspeth Beveridge 8 May Beveridge 5 Archibald Beveridge 1 1881
Name: Richard Beveridge Age: 66 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Agnes Beveridge Gender: Male Where born: Halbeath, Fifeshire Registration number: 424 Registration district: Dunfermline Civil parish: Dunfermline County: Fife Address: Second Row Occupation: Coal Miner ED: 23 Household schedule number: 68 Line: 7 Roll: cssct1881_118 Household Members: Name Age Richard Beveridge 66 Agnes Beveridge 65 Alexander Beveridge 17 Death registrations for Richard and Agnes will give the parents' names if the informant knew the details and that will take you back another generation.
You really need to get some credits for Scotlandspeople.
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13 May 2013 20:50 |
thank you all for your help and information regarding elspeth beveridge married to matthew rutherford. I've still not got the hang of pressing the right things relating to genes reunited.I am trying to find living relatives of elspeth as she was the "unknown" who started me off in my search.
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14 May 2013 13:35 |
If William Gillespie was Elspeth's only son then his descendants would be her only direct line living relatives. You could also trace possible descendants of her siblings.
As has been said you really nedd to use Scotlandspeople.
Good Luck.
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24 Aug 2013 11:39 |
Avril ~
We may be 8th cousins.
I'll send you a pm.
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