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CuriousFish
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21 May 2014 08:42 |
My aplogies greyghost, you are certainly right about me posting incorrect parents for my grandfather :-( . JoonieCloonie, you may have well solved it, for Hannah at least. A cousin thinks your mention of the name Gaiger is vaugly familiar. I am as always grateful for the help of all you clever genies who take th time and effort to help. A HUGE thank you to you all <3
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JoonieCloonie
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21 May 2014 01:35 |
well done greyghost, and indeed, having found that information isn't quite consistent with posting the information shown in the opening post ...
Births Sep 1892 Harvey Hannah Poplar 1c 702
two possible looking marriages
Marriages Jun 1913 Harvey Hannah Harvey W.Ham 4a 447 Harvey Richard F Harvet W.Ham 4a 447
which would be unfortunate from the perspective of looking for births
Marriages Sep 1913 Gaiger Thomas Harvey W.Ham 4a 683 Harvey Hannah Gaiger W.Ham 4a 683
a fortunately unusual name with 6 births showing 1914-1932
and a death that perfectly matches the quarter of birth in 1892
Name: Hannah Gaiger Birth Date: 25 Aug 1892 Date of Registration: Mar 1971 Age at Death: 78 Registration district: Havering Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 5c Page: 4
so there is one sibling almost certainly accounted for
of course the marriage certificate would be needed for real certainty by age and father's name etc.
the eldest child Hannah 1914 is in a tree here, for instance
possibly one of the same people you have already tried to contact
of course there is almost always one single reason why people do not reply to contacts ... they never receive the message (which you can determine by looking to see whether there is still an envelope beside your sent message)
many people put a tree up at this site years ago, never had anything come of it, never returned to the site ... and changed their email address without updating their account
I'm sure I am registered at sites all over the internet with old email addresses, before I settled on the permanent solution (an online account for this purpose) :-)
anyway other people have Thomas 1917, Kathleen 1922 ... in their trees ... worth looking up the births at freebmd for Hannah Harvey Geiger alone and contacting people with her children in their trees if you haven't already tried them maybe
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greyghost
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20 May 2014 09:24 |
Trying to establish if they were the right family as if so, some of the information you have given in your first post is misleading ie naming Hannah 1862 as a sibling and the parents as James and Mary Ann. I spent some not inconsiderable time trying to find them in an effort to help and asked if I had the right family before going further. Judging by your "I had already found that information" they are the right family. You will probably have to visit a records office or invest in certificates to find marriages and descendants, but I'm sure you already know this.
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CuriousFish
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20 May 2014 08:21 |
Thank you all, and to answer the questions raised. Jax, yes I had already seached on genes, not once but several times. Frustratingly a couple of members with potential matches never replied to my enquiries. Despite me trying to contact them several times. Pam, yes free BDM is a good place to search, pity that none of mine have unusal first names. Greyghost, I had already found that information. Posting on the 'Find Living Relatives' page was a bit of a long shot. I have expolored so many dead ends with this family. I'll keep searchin :-S
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greyghost
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19 May 2014 18:30 |
Hannah (mother) remarried by 1911 and daughter Hannah the only child away from home
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name Last Name Relationship Condition Gender Age Year Of Birth Occupation Birth Place ERICK FIELDEN HEAD MARRIED Male 56 1855 CORN PORTER SWEDEN RESIDENT HANNAH FIELDEN WIFE MARRIED Female 48 1863 - BURSHAW STAFFORDSHIRE WILLIAM HARVEY SON SINGLE Male 22 1889 RIVETTER CUBITT TOWN POPLAR GEORGE HARVEY SON SINGLE Male 20 1891 DOCK LABOURER CUBITT TOWN POPLAR JOHN HARVEY SON SINGLE Male 17 1894 FACTORY HAND CUBITT TOWN POPLAR HARRY HARVEY SON - Male 14 1897 OFFICE BOY CANNING TOWN WEST HAM EMMA HARVEY DAUGHTER - Female 12 1899 SCHOOL CANNING TOWN WEST HAM
Address 106 HILDA ROAD CANNING TOWN Parish WEST HAM County Essex Country ENGLAND Birth Place CANNING TOWN WEST HAM Year Of Marriage - Years Of Marriage - Archive Reference RG14 Piece Number 9461 Census Reference RG14PN9461 RG78PN507B RD188 SD3 ED51 SN147 Registration District WEST HAM Registration District Number 188 Sub District PLAISTOW Enumeration District 51 SubDistrict Number 3
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First Name Last Name Relationship Condition Gender Age Year Of Birth Occupation Birth Place ELIZABETH SARAH BROWN HEAD WIDOW Male 44 1867 BOARDING HOUSE KEEPER ISLINGTON LONDON WILLIAM POWLETT EVANS BOARDER SINGLE Male 25 1886 MASTER MARINER ROME ITALY RESIDENT HANNAH HARVEY MAID SINGLE Female 18 1893 KITCHEN MAID BOARDING HOUSE CUBITT TOWN
Address 58 EAST INDIA DK ROAD POPLAR E Parish POPLAR BOROUGH County London Country ENGLAND Birth Place CUBITT TOWN Year Of Marriage - Years Of Marriage - Archive Reference RG14 Piece Number 1728 Census Reference RG14PN1728 RG78PN60 RD22 SD3 ED12 SN4 Registration District POPLAR Registration District Number 22 Sub District POPLAR Enumeration District 12 SubDistrict Number 3 ------------------------------------------------------------------
So you need to look for marriages post 1911 for all children probably in the West Ham area for starters at the free website suggested by Pam earlier in the thread.
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
and then you can look for children from the marriages
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greyghost
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19 May 2014 18:05 |
Is this the family you are looking at?? Children's names and birth years correct but different parents and Hannah is both a sibling b 1893 and the mother b1862!!!!!!!!! They are at Stebondale Street in the 1891 census but not the 1901.
1901 census Print household transcription Household Members First Name Last Name Relationship Condition Gender Age Year Of Birth Occupation Birth Place GEORGE W HARVEY HEAD MARRIED Male 39 1862 GENERAL LABOURER GIRDER YARD ROTHERHITHE, LONDON HANNAH HARVEY WIFE MARRIED Female 38 1863 - BURSLEM, STAFFORDSHIRE WILLIAM J HARVEY SON SINGLE Male 12 1889 - POPLAR, LONDON GEORGE A HARVEY SON SINGLE Male 10 1891 - POPLAR, LONDON HANNAH HARVEY DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 8 1893 - POPLAR, LONDON JOHN J HARVEY SON SINGLE Male 7 1894 - POPLAR, LONDON HENRY J HARVEY SON SINGLE Male 4 1897 - CANNING TOWN, ESSEX EMMA E HARVEY DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 2 1899 - CANNING TOWN, ESSEX EMMA JAMES MOTHER-IN-LAW WIDOW Female 68 1833 - BURSLEM, STAFFORDSHIRE
Birth Town POPLAR Birth County LONDON Birth Place - Street BOULTON ROAD Town - Parish WEST HAM City - Country ENGLAND County Essex Vessel Name - Municipal Ward CANNING TOWN Registration District WEST HAM Archive Reference RG13 Piece Number 1576 Folio 130 Page 11 -------------------------------------------------------------
1891 census
First Name Last Name Relationship Condition Gender Age Year Of Birth Occupation Birth Place GEORGE W HARVEY HEAD MARRIED Male 29 1862 GENERAL LABOURER KENT HANNAH HARVEY WIFE MARRIED Female 28 1863 - STAFFORDSHIRE WILLIAM J HARVEY SON - Male 2 1889 - MIDDLESEX GEORGE A HARVEY SON - Male 1 1890 - MIDDLESEX EMMA JAMES MOTHER IN LAW WIDOW Female 59 1832 - STAFFORDSHIRE
Street STEBONDALE STREET Town POPLAR Parish POPLAR City - County London Registration District POPLAR Vessel Name - Archive Reference RG12 Piece Number 335 Folio 87 Page 42
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Pam
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19 May 2014 16:54 |
www.freebmd.org.uk
You could check this website to see if you can find any marriages for the people you list.
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jax
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19 May 2014 15:48 |
You cannot have a public tree on Genes
Have you looked to see if any of this family are in any trees on here?
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CuriousFish
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19 May 2014 14:44 |
I'm looking for descendants of my grandfathers siblings He was George Arthur HARVEY, 1891 – 1968, Stebondale Street. Isle of Dogs, London. Parents James HARVEY and Mary Ann ELDRIDGE siblings Hanna 1862 – 1930 William 1889 John James 1894 Harry 1897 Emma 1899 My Tree is in the public domain both on 'Genes' and Ancestry
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