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seeking any living relations of eliza known as kitty daughter of james lewis .married a man called mckay and had children,jack,stanley freddy and renee.jacky had twins john and david and they lived in dartmouth

Hi Christine

To give us some idea of dates, is this Eliza's marriage please?

Marriages Sep 1908
LEWIS Eliza Jane Totnes 5b 352 ***
McKAY Robert Totnes 5b 352 ***
WILSON Hugh Russell Totnes 5b 352
WINDEATT Grace Frances Totnes 5b 352

Regards
Chris

Freddy is Frederick L , born 1913 Totnes.

Renee is Renney, born 1922 Plympton.
She married a Hughes in 1942 in Plympton
She's on 192.com, on the ER somewhere in 2002 - I don't have credits to see where she was living then.
There were quite a number of Hughes/McKay births in the years after 1942, but none in Devon, so I can't even guess at whether any of them were Renney's children or not.

Jack is John H, 1923 Totnes.
Married a Tiller in Totnes 1944.
The twin sons you mention were born 1948, in Devon.

Renney Hughes' entry on the 2002 ER is for an address in Grangemouth, Stirlingshire.

From ScotlandsPeople, that Renney's death?

HUGHES
Forename RENNEY
Age at death 81
Year 2004
Ref 484/ 156
RD Name Grangemouth

Age at death equates to a birth about 1923, depending on the exact dates of birth & death.
The death certificate would normally list the names of her (surviving?) children which might help with tracing them. You'd need to order the certificate via ScotlandsPeople (£12)

Relating back to the marriage

Marriages Sep 1908
LEWIS Eliza Jane Totnes 5b 352 ***
McKAY Robert Totnes 5b 352 ***

1939 Register??
McKay Household (2 People) 14 Sandquay Road , Dartmouth M.B., Devon, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Robert McKay 10 Oct 1883 Male Leading Fireman Stoker Heavy Worker - Retired RN Pensioner Married 119 1
Eliza J McKay 12 (June?) 1880 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 119 2
2 closed records at the top of the following page. They may relate to the same household

Frederick L Mckay's death


First name(s) FREDERICK LLOYD
Last name MCKAY
Gender Male
Birth day 29
Birth month 3
Birth year 1913
Death quarter 4
Death year 2005
District South Hams
District number 4171
Register number 15
Entry number 026
Date of registration mm/yy 11/05
County Devon

Until his death, he was living with 2 other McKay females in Dartmouth.
this is probably the death of one of the females, his wife

BARBARA ELSIE M
Last name MCKAY
Gender Female
Birth day 19
Birth month 5
Birth year 1915
Death quarter 2
Death year 2005
District Torbay
District number 4221B
Register number B94A
Entry number 022
Date of registration mm/yy 04/05
County Devon

Their marriage
Marriages Sep 1940 (>99%)
Cole Barbara E M McKay Ashton 8d 2439
McKay Frederick L Cole Ashton 8d 2439

There are a number of McKay/Cole births shown on freebmd.
Probably the one born in 1941 Ashton is one & the daughter born 1952 Kingsbridge is the other female at the Darmouth address. Assuming they moved to Kingsbridge after 1941, its possibly the other 5 births in Kingsbridge 1944-1953 might also be their children.

The birth & death of one of the potential children

Births Sep 1950 (>99%)
McKay Allan E J Cole Kingsbridge 7a 461

Death
First name(s) ALAN E J
Last name MCKAY
Gender Male
Birth year 1950
Age 1
Death quarter 3
Death year 1951
District Totnes
County Devon
Volume 7A
Page 685

PM from Christine:

think its same family john was married at least twice his last wife was joyce.the twins david and john were born in 1948 but if you have any news of them i would be thrilled.rennee had a daughter elizabeth who was disabled and i think a son called derek who would be in his seventies now.thank you




I've replied that I don't know anything about the family apart from what I found re BMD's online.

Further to that:
no Elizabeth or Derek amongst the Hughes / McKay births per FreeBMD, so they must have been born in Scotland.
There were several possible Dereks born after 1942 in Scotland, but can't tell which might be the right one without ordering birth certs.

Don't know if relevant, -

a Derek was born in Logie, Stirlingshire - but not until 1959, so maybe too young.
Also an Elizabeth Carol was born in Logie, in 1943.