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Ann
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5 Jul 2010 08:43 |
Thank you Margaret, There is a Courts-Martial of the First World War for Fredrick, “ Conduct to prejudice of good order and military discipline “ I must get a copy of that. Ann
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4 Jul 2010 14:59 |
If you're looking for those attestation papers they're under the name Fredrick William but original is Frederick.
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Ann
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4 Jul 2010 14:56 |
Thank you Margaret, I copied the wrong name, have amended it, I have a copy of the marriage, it is very faint, I think this is right, Frederick Kay Married 10 Mar 1915 Presbyterian church in Dundas, ONTARIO. Dorothy KENNAUGH, Father William Kay, George Henry KENNAUGH, he was Presbyterian and she as Methodist her mother Hannah SKIDMORE.
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4 Jul 2010 14:18 |
On the attestation papers for Frederick William Kay, born 29 Jan, 1891, Ryde, IOW he gives wife's name as Dorothy. He enlisted 23 Feb. 1916.
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Ann
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4 Jul 2010 11:12 |
Thank you very much Ginny that is very kind of you, so the ship called in at Le Havre, France . Ann
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4 Jul 2010 10:23 |
Sylvia is listed here too. This must be Bertrams wife
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Alice Kay Name: Alice Kay Gender: Female Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1880 Date of Arrival: 1 Nov 1909 Vessel: Corinthian Search Ship Database: View the 'Corinthian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: Quebec Port of Departure: London, England and Le Havre, France Roll: T-4764
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Ann
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4 Jul 2010 10:16 |
Thank you very much for the Canadian Passenger Lists, I am not sure about Frederick William ?
As Frederick William Kay was at the death of his step father he was informant 21.9.1913 of Maurice O'FLAHERTY, He Married 10 Mar 1915 in Dundas, ONTARIO. Dorothy KENNAUGH , & enlisted in army 12 Feb 1916.
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Ann
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4 Jul 2010 10:01 |
Hi I have the marriage cert 16 Mar 1908 for Bertram Charles & Alice his father had died by then
Maurice O' Flaherty died 21 .9.1913 age 63 & Ellen married Robert Hunter 24 Nov 1919
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4 Jul 2010 09:49 |
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Bertram Kay Name: Bertram Kay Gender: Male Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1887 Date of Arrival: 12 May 1908 Vessel: Parisian Search Ship Database: View the 'Parisian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec Port of Departure: Le Havre, France Roll: T-493
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Frederick William Kay Name: Frederick William Kay Gender: Male Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Date of Arrival: 30 Apr 1921 Vessel: Metagama Search Ship Database: View the 'Metagama' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: Quebec Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Roll: T-14712
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Frederick W Kay Name: Frederick W Kay Gender: Male Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1890 Birth Country: England Date of Arrival: 6 Jan 1928 Vessel: Aorangi Search Ship Database: View the 'Aorangi' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: Victoria, British Columbia Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia Roll: T-14889
He was a 'stowaway'
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Ann
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4 Jul 2010 09:45 |
Hi Ginny. Darryl Frank died in Carisbrooke Workhouse 18.11. 1896. Frederick 9 at school Pauper Ryde IOW Bertram,13 Tailor Pauper Ryde IOW were both in the Work house In 1901 they went to Canada 1908 I don’t know what Ship. Ellen & the two girls were in Canada in 1901 they arrived in Sept 1894 I have the censue for Ellen O’FLAHERTY & her daughter Kate Ellen, but no info on Alice Jane. Ann
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4 Jul 2010 09:45 |
1911 Census of Canada about Babram C Kay Name: Babram C Kay <<<Crane man Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Age: 23 Birth Date: Oct 1887 Birthplace: England Relation to Head of House: Head Immigration Year: 1908 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Tribal: English Province: Ontario District: Wentworth District Number: 135 Sub-District: Dundas Sub-District Number: 52 Place of Habitation: Dundas Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Babram C Kay 23 Alice M Kay 30 Sylvia R Kay 2 Dorothy A Kay 10/12
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Gee
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4 Jul 2010 09:40 |
So from the death record of Bertram...his mother is down as Hunter?
Marriages Mar 1908 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BUTTERFIELD Alice Maude St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 605 Kay Bertram Charles St Geo H. Sq. 1a 605
At last...the fathers name!
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Bertram Charles Kay Name: Bertram Charles Kay Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1889 Christening Date: 1 Dec 1889 Christening Place: Ryde, Hampshire, England Father's Name: William Kay Mother's Name: Ellen
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4 Jul 2010 09:36 |
Hmmm so I'll not look for Bertram
UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about Bertram Charles Kay Name: Bertram Charles Kay Birth Place: Ryde, I. of W. Residence: West Runton, Norfolk Death Date: 12 Mar 1915 Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: Sandown, Hants Rank: L/Corporal Regiment: Scots Guards Number: 6028 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
KAY, BERTRAM CHARLES Initials: B C Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Lance Corporal Regiment/Service: Scots Guards Unit Text: 2nd Bn. Age: 28 Date of Death: 12/03/1915 Service No: 6028 Additional information: Son of Mrs. Hunter, of King St., Dundas, Ontario, Canada; husband of Alice Maud Kay (nee Butterfield). Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 3 and 4. Memorial: LE TOURET MEMORIAL
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4 Jul 2010 09:24 |
1901 England Census about Bertram Orchard Name: Bertram Orchard [Bertram Kay] Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation: Pauper Gender: Male Where born: Ryde, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Carisbrooke Ecclesiastical parish: Carisbrooke St Mary the Virgin County/Island: Hampshire Country: England
Registration district: Isle of Wight Sub-registration district: Newport ED, institution, or vessel: Isle of Wight Union Workhouse Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Frederick Kay 9 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Arthur Beale 11 Robert Harns 11 Fred Hurmybun 7 Gilbert Snudden 13 Fred Warman 12 Reginald Warman 9 William Edgar White 11 Ernest Orchard 13 Bertram Orchard 13 <<<Kay on the record Bertram Snudden 11 Joseph Queenan 11 Alfred Lionel Lewis 21 Thomas Perkes 60 Frederick Cotton 31 Corneluis Dyer 76 William Taylor 68 James Cole 83 Frank Jolliffe 62 Isaac Jenkins 50 George Roberts 79 Henry Curley 77 John Spencer 81 Robert Jones 90 John Whiting 24 Charles Lake 84 John Webb 64 Henry Rann 88 Frederick Bull 87 George Dennis 73 Thomas Saunders 66 Walter Lewis Dennis 43 Frank Weeks 55 Henry Whitewood 80 Charles Baines 67 John Harrison 72 Henry Way 83 Thomas Linington 59 Robert Allen 59 Jacob Tibbick 50 Adam Hendy 77 Frederick Gutteridge 50 Charles England 66 John Willsteed 76 Daniel Guy 65 George Coombes 32 James Kelleway 72 William Williams 88 Henry Groves 38 Henry Williams 77 Frederick Phillips 24 William Buckett 64 William Love 54 Richard Pocock 62 William Elkins 48 Jana Humber 47 Eliga Humber 33 Hilda E Tilsbury 14 Emily Sheath 40 Annie Wiseman 38 Rose Batchelor 19 Emmeline Batchelor 30 Ann Cheverton 83 Sophia Joy 80 Florence Snow 35 An Swedingham 82 Amelia Daish 16 Ann Pidgley 67 Ruby V V E Batchelor 15 Alice Eldridge 13 Jessie Dove 11 Bearerice Dove 14 Emona Brewer 14 Daisy Brewer 11 Eliza James 15 Frances Hams 8 Henry Hurmybun 4 Agnes Queenan 7 Kate Queenan 3 Denis Queenan 5 Annie Bray 4 Elizabeth Reynolds 64 Madeline Todd 65 Hagar Butt 29 Alice Warnes 33 Daisy Warnes 5 William C Warnes 4 Francis Hams 5 Jemima Hams 2 Thomas Spencer 2 Jesse Jas Barnes 3 Reginald Frice 5 William Quennan 10 months Charles Hall 4 Charity Bray 2 Albert Bray 2 Ruth Halliday 3 Gertrude Wightman 21 Rose Morey 21 Mary F Morsey 3/12 So two boys were here in 1901. Need to go look for the others
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Ann
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4 Jul 2010 09:23 |
Thank you Ginny yes that is them
1891 census,IOW also shown on RG12/0890/75/13/93 94 High St Ryde Ellen KAY Wife M 34 b.Haven St, IOW Alice J " D S 15 Domestic Servant b.Scotland Bertram C " S - 1 b.Ryde,IOW Denell J " S - 2 mth b.Ryde,IOW [ Darryl Frank] Frederick W 2 S - 2 mth b.Ryde,IOW --------------- Kate [Ellen] Kay 16 in service to Frederick Parton at 151 High Street, And her husband William Kay was a lodger at the "Prince Regent" public house at No 6 Market Hill,Northwood,W Cowes Very convenient for him! Ann
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4 Jul 2010 09:09 |
Deaths Dec 1896 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kay Darrell 5 I. Wight 2b 385
So they were still in the UK at this point
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4 Jul 2010 08:55 |
1891 England Census about Ellen Stanier Name: Ellen Stanier [Ellen Kay] Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Daniel Gender: Female Where born: Isle of Wight, Haven St Civil parish: Ryde Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Hampshire Country: England 94 High Street
Registration district: Isle Of Wight Sub-registration district: Ryde ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Daniel Stanier 71 Catharine Stanier 71 Mabel L White 24
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Ellen Stanier 34 <<<<Head Alice J Stanier 15 Daught Scotland Bertram C Stanier 1 <<Son Dencil J Stanier 2/12 <<Son Darrel Frank twin Frederick W Stanier 2/12 <<Son twin
Not sure where Kate Ellen is? Maybe she died
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Gee
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4 Jul 2010 08:49 |
Im just trying to establish some sort of time line. This is them in 1881
1881 England Census about Kate Ellen Kay Name: Kate Ellen Kay [Alice Jane Kay] Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Ellen Gender: Female Where born: Edinborough, Scotland Civil parish: Ryde County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: 74 High Street
Registration district: Isle Of Wight Sub-registration district: Ryde ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ellen Kay 24 <<<<Married. Occ laundress Kate Ellen Kay 6 Kate Ellen Kay 5 <<<Alice Jane
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Ann
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4 Jul 2010 01:40 |
Hi Cass, Thank you for the marriage that certainly looks like them, must have married just before they went to Canada, I did look for it but that was years ago, Thanks Ann
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Cassidy
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4 Jul 2010 01:27 |
Hi,A Possible Marriage;
Maurice O'Flaherty marriage to Ellen Lacey,Portsea,Hampshire 1894,Q3.
Daughter Leila born 10th May 1895,Ontario.Parent's Maurice O'Flaherty [Tailor]& Ellen Lacey.
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