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Had a quick look but can´t see Doris Evelyn in 1911.
Was she in Scotland???

Diane would have been 22/23 when she married in 1929,if fact are right,

There are a few things,

Why was she in London,,,,,,a very long way at the time from Stornoway,,,,,,,did she come down because relatives were here,?

why did she never mention her mother or any siblings she may have had?

as far as Evelyn knows Diane had no contact with Scotland or at least Evelyn never.

Where did she get sent from to Stornoway.?

Cousins at the time could have been a parents cousins,

If any answers are out there then it lies in Stornoway and some personal local digging about coupled with Edinboro.plus money spending in areas such as Wills,a personal search is more productive than any online as many documents arent online that could be looked at.


It wasnt unusual for army people to leave their children behind when they went abroad back then,sometime with family sometimes at a boarding or prep school.,,,,,,,,

Ann...............I think you're just wonderful....... :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D


Vanessa, I'm not sure that those Diane's were checked as we were concentrating on Scotland.


Kathy.......you're quite right, we don't know for certain that Aunt Kate's name was MacLeod.

Would you be willing to check anything on the107 year old lady's records please. There is some info on here - from about last summer I think. If you could then post it on here as a complete item, we can then either forget about it or move on with it. Many thanks for your great offer.


Thanks to you Renes too............could you please draw together all that we have on Diane's time at the Springfield hospital. It may help us to either give that closure or open another avenue. :-)


Would anyone like to volunteer to check the passengers lists which have been posted on here re the possibility of Diane travelling back/forth to India (or wherever). Again, if they could be posted we can rule them out ......or not!


Kay, this search is composed of many 1m dollar questions!!

In answer to your questions - as best as I can......Diane was in London because she was working at the Springfield Hospital. Why London, we do not know but, apparently it was quite common for young girls from Scotland to travel down to London as nurses. I remember reading that somewhere.


Evelyn has absolutely no idea as to why relatives weren't mentioned and that's part of the point of her search. Does she have any maternal family somewhere? We've wondered if there was something that Diane was ashamed of ie maybe illegitimacy etc...... who knows??


Apparently, Diane told her children that she lived in Stornoway with Aunt Kate- you can see a bit of the story on the first page of this thread.


Thanks everyone - am now going back to the G-F's!!!



:-D <3 :-D

Thanks Cynthia!

I'm only up to page 30....... Just saw that Evelyn says he was in 1st Battalion Seaforth Highlanders which she appears to have seen on Diane's marriage cert - she hadn't mentioned the battalion before. I think we need to see that marriage cert. Have you got a copy of it?

Cynthia

Yes delighted to help


ps can I wear a nurses uniform pleeease

Has any newpapers been read,in just the name of Macleod/Mcleod......a task but a quick view shows mainly in Scotland,,,something could be related or click into something else......a few Major Macleods mentioned ---relevant?.

No I haven't got a copy of it yet Ann.....I'm hoping Evelyn will manage to get it over the weekend.

I have though, found a reference to it on here.....page 51.....Witnesses: E.M. Roy - the bridegroom's mother and an F.H. Pratt, friend of the bridegroom.......



Renes? Behave yourself! tuts...... ;-)


Kay, not sure about the newspapers to be honest......do you have access at all?


Just hoping to round off my F-G's now.... :-D

THE GODDARD-FENWICK CONNECTION


‘Our’ Evelyn seems to have been named after a lady named Evelyn Gertrude Savile Goddard-Fenwick who was her Godmother.

'Our' Evelyn's full name is EVELYN PATRICIA KATHLEEN and she was born in Dafforne Road, London in 1932.

I have been in touch with the vicar of the parish in which Dafforne Road is situated but he was unable to find a record of a baptism. I am currently in the process of contacting the next parish. When ‘Our’ Evelyn was 2 years old, the family moved to Weymouth.

There must have been a certain closeness between Diane and Evelyn for her to name her daughter after her.

So, what about Evelyn G.S. Goddard-Fenwick?

Born 1875 in Jersey.


Parents: George S. Goddard. Paymaster in R.N. and Christophine S. C. Fenwick
(nee Fenwick). Some work has been done on Christophine, but it doesn't seem to impact on our research so I won't muddy the waters at the moment.

Siblings:
Christophine F. 1870-1947
William H.W. 1874-1965
Emily G. 1877-1952
George D. 1880-1961 Edit: marries a PATRICIA
Gwendoline 1881
Louisa 1883-1935

Christophine, Gwendoline and Louisa became Nuns and William was ordained into Ministry. Emily lived with Evelyn.


In 1881 the family are living in Stoke Damerel, Devon.

In 1891 at school in Paignton, Devon with sister Louisa. - Edit.

In 1901 in South Kennington

In 1911 in Clapham - listed as a teacher of Piano, Violin and singing

She then stays in the Wandsworth area : Foulsar Road : Dafforne Road.

Edit: One of the residents in Dafforne Road was a KATHLEEN McDowell.

In 1927 she is spotted travelling to Canada on board the Ausonia for her brother's wedding.

She returns, 3 months later on the Ascania.

Evelyn G-F taught at the City of London School for Girls. They have been contacted but nothing on her was found.

Evelyn died in 1943 in Wandsworth. I have a copy of her will in which she leaves various items to
relatives:

Violin to her niece Veronica Goddard-Fenwick
Royalties from her compositions to her niece Evelyn Mary Goddard-Fenwick
Mother's paintings and miniature of her grandfather to her nephew Willougby Goddard-Fenwick
Old chinaware to nephew Theodore
Portrait of Heiress of Rushworth - an ancestor - to cousin Marcus Stapleton Martin.
The remainder went to Emily her sister.

We have traced some living Goddard-Fenwicks living in Wales but, despite phone calls and letters, they were not overly co-operative.

I found a connection on FB who was extremely helpful but muddled up the Evelyn we were looking at with her niece Evelyn Mary. Nothing further was gained.


That's it in a nutshell. I intend to see if I can now trace some of the relatives of people in the will. A longshot I know but................................. :-S


May I suggest that, if anyone comes up with something else, I copy it onto this item and then the finder can delete it. That way, we may be able to make more sense of our findings.

Hope that makes sense.

:-D

(on the residents, 44, Dafforne Road 1931/2)

Frederick Robert Smithson, Marriage 1928, Epsom, Surrey. Alice Clark.

Frederick Death, 1993, Thanet, Kent. (b 1904)
Alice Death, 1981, Thanet, Kent. (b. 1906) or another 1984, Canterbury, Kent. (b. 1902)

Hubert Edward Mearing, Marriage 1929, Kingston. Doris Clark.

Hubert Death, 1970, Sutton, Surrey. (b. 1904)
Doris Death, 2001, Sutton, surrey. (b. 1904)

(Clark girls perhaps Sisters?)

Evelyn Gertrude Goddard Fenwick (known about!)

Kathleen McDowell?...(below could be a couple of possibles, or could she be the Aunt Kate, either in relation, or just known as 'Aunt')

1911
MCDOWELL, John Head Married M 28 1883 Off License Keeper Kent Chalham
MCDOWELL, Janetta Wife Married4 years F 25 1886 Assisting In Business Devon Plymouth
MCDOWELL, Kathleen Daughter F 3 1908 London Tooting
RENDEN, Mabel Servant Single F 18 1893 General Servant Domestic London Tooting
RG number: RG14
Piece: 2363
Reference: RG14PN2363 RG78PN78B RD26 SD5 ED78 SN147
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub District: Streatham
Enumeration District: 78
Parish: Wandsworth Borough
Address: 69 High ST
County: London

1911
MCDOWELL, Louisa James Wife Widow F 46 1865 Hanwell Middlesex
MCDOWELL, Kathleen Daughter Single F 23 1888 Sewing Machinist Tailoring Chatham Kent
MCDOWELL, Eileen Daughter Single F 20 1891 Sewing Machinist Tailoring Chatham Kent
MCDOWELL, Marjorie Daughter Single F 18 1893 Sewing Machinist Tailoring Chatham Kent
MCDOWELL, Dora Daughter F 11 1900 School Chatham Kent
RG number: RG14
Piece: 3916
Reference: RG14PN3916 RG78PN149 RD47 SD1 ED32 SN240
Registration District: Medway
Sub District: Rochester and Chatham
Enumeration District: 32
Parish: Chatham
Address: 42 Coronation Road Chatham
County: Kent


Evelyn G F, Brother, George D C, Marriage 1936, wife Patricia...

(thinking 1932 Evelyn Patricia Kathleen Roy, is taking these names, or, certainly a coincidence!)

Chris :)

1930
15, Trinity Road Balham/Tooting. Edgar Watts, Jeannie M Watts. Herbert John Roy, Diane Leslie Roy.

(same as above, 1931)


Jeannie Matilda Watts, Death, 1986 Wandsworth. (b. 29th July 1890) (as a possible)


(Trinity Road being near Dafforne Road, with Springfield Hospital also nearby)


edits (haven't seen Quoy about on 'Boards' lately, hope she is ok)


(Oops!, posted just behind Cynthia above)

Thanks Chris. I have edited the Kathleen and Paricia bit into the Goddard-Fenwick story.

It may be better to post any findings on both Kathleen and Patricia on separate pages and then we can add and delete info as we go along.


I'm probably talking gobbledy-gook now as I have been on this for hours. Signing off for the night....................zzzzzzzzzzzzzz :-D

any possible chance if its known who attended Diane funeral or getting hold of any local write up?

I have looked at Dafforne Road which as Chris says is near Springfield hospital..
Also Khartoum Road is very near St Georges Hospital..


Just funny that the 2 addresses that are known are both within walking distance of a hospital.

I am sorry going to be away for a couple of days back Sunday night.

What we need to know from the marriage cert is

How old Diane was ?????

What her occupation was???

Witnesses full names (if written in)

Herbert's Occupation????

And his home address from the cert.

Thanks


ps if someone could look at the electoral rolls for 1926/27/28/29 for Daffone Road and Kharoum road.

Pretty please.

(probably not 'Aunt Kate'!, details)

Kathleen Mcdowell 1907 Wandsworth. Death 1997 Wandsworth (born 10th July 1907)

John Thomas McDowell Marriage 1906 Medway, Janetta Blair.

John Thomas Death 1928 Wandsworth (45)
Janetta Death 1929 Wandsworth (42)

(John Thomas, Admin. to Janetta, widow, Kathleen, spinster)
(Janetta, Admin. to Kathleen, spinster)
(address for both as, 60, High Street, Tooting) (as 1911)


George Digby Crofton Fenwick Goddard Marriage 1936 Kensington, ( age 57 widower) Prep. School Headmaster. 23, Embankment Gardens, Chelsea. Father, George Stephen Goddard, Fleet Paymaster RN (Deceased) Patricia Eileen Muriel Whitby (23 Spinster) 59, Cambridge Mansions, Battersea. Father, William Arthur Whitby, Civil Engineer (Deceased) witnesses, W A Havard, R de Ferry Foster.

(Niece of EGF, who inherits Violin, their Daughter, Birth 1937, possibly living, the one who went on voyage, Singapore, intended Residence, Malaya. 1960, last address as, 44, Dafforne Road)

Chris :)

edits

(Electoral, 44, Dafforne, 1930, Smithsons, Mearings, Kathleen Mcdowell. 1927/8/9 Miss Mary Gwendoline Davies)

Evelyn G Fenwick 1891?



Name:
Effie G Goddard
Age:
16
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1875

Relation:
Boarder

Gender:
Female

Where born:
Jersey, Channel Islands

Civil parish:
Paignton

Ecclesiastical parish:
Christchurch

Town:
Preston

County/Island:
Devon

Country:
England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

Household Members:

Name

Age

Adelaide Kellett 46
Louisa E Kellett 44
Isabella M Kellett 42
Constance M Parmenter 16
Edith A Parmenter 15
Mary M Parmenter 12
Waller C Puckard 7
Caroline E Wade 15
Jessie A Wade 14
Ruth L Norman 14
Gertrude M Norman 12
Effie G Goddard 16
Louisa C Goddard 8
Mary J Withers 52
Lousia Bishard 39
Elsie Koch 25
Annie Cole 24

Chris Ho I done a bit of research on Kathleen McDowall last year and never came up with much although what I can say is there was a small link to Scotland. Kathleen's mother was Janetta Blair born Devon and her father James Blair was born in Glasgow, Scotland, he was in the Royal Navy and the family ended up in Liverpool, Devon & Kent. So to summarise Kathleen McDowell's maternal grandfather was Scottish and met his wife Esther in Liverpool and had around 7 children. Between 1891 and 1901 Esther left her husband James Blair to live with a man called George Rome in Kent and she went on to have two children with him. Anything else I can post just ask, I have all the censuses related to the Blair & McDowell's saved and if my memory serves me I was in touch with FBG about what I found last year.

Has anyone looked at the MacLeod family living across the road from Evelyn Goddard Fenwick, they are there for a number of years. Evelyn is at number 42 Foulser Road and Patrick MacFarlane MacLeod and his wife Norah Douthwitt Maud MacLeod live at number 31 Foulser Road. Can't find their marriage though if anyone wants to have a look. This is Patrick at home with his parents before his marriage to Norah. I can't find Patrick in 1911.

1901 Census
Patric M Macleod
Age:23
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1878

Relation:Son

Father's Name:
Patrick M Macleod

Mother's Name:
Jennet F Macleod

Gender:
Male

Where born:
Liverpool

Civil parish:
Wandsworth

Ecclesiastical parish:
St Mary Magdalene

County/Island:
London

Country:
England

Registration district:
Wandsworth

Household Members:
Name
Age

Patrick M Macleod 57 Presbyterian Minister b Scotland
Jennet F Macleod 56 b Scotland
Donald Macleod 25 Ship Brokers Clerk b Liverpool
Patric M Macleod 23 Produce Brokers Clerk b Liverpool
Jessie S Macleod 14 Attending School b Canada
Helen M Simpson 30 Step daughter b India
Bridget A Odonnell 30 General Servant b Ireland

Just another to rule out I suppose and unfortunately I'm not too good with Ancestry. I will have another look tonight.

Back later......... :-D :-D :-D :-D

I've been involed in this post since the beginning.

recently I did a lot of research on the Isabella MacLeod who died aged 107

I have never in that found anyone connected called ROBERT

problem is that some of the offspring married other MacLeod's so very difficult to follow through
for instance
Catherine Mary MacLeod dof Isabella married Kenneth MacLeod

I have put some of my findings on a tree on ancestry tree is called "Isabella MacLeod"..there are several other trees with her in.

Did Isabella leave a will in 1945? those dates not available on scotland people.

I went mad on scotlands people and have loads of data
however I am of oversaeas for the next month so unlikely to have time to send the data to anyone. if someone Pm's me their email address I will try to send the data.


A long shot is to try and find out where Diane was getting she money from prior to marriage the allowance she was getting. Was there a solicitor ..maybe the practise is still going and has archives..her bank account???

If you look back near the beginning of the thread you'll see my thoughts on where the Seaforth Highlanders may have been at the time of her birth
I think more likely Egypt...or South Africa

if in India , Robert Macleod should have got the India Medal from that time, however I have not been able to find the right register/index to look at at the National Archives.

I am more than happy to do bmd and census look ups at the reg office .

Getting a bit confused however .There have been several ages given for aunty Kate's death . 107 104 and I think I remember 91 at some point .Also from memory I thought Evelyn said it was in the paper early 50's

Could some one clarify that as I have not been able to find the original post

thanks

Kathy