Find Ancestors

To be honest I would leave the Aunt Kate thing well alone for now (just a personal opinion of course :-) ) Aunt Kate could be anyone from either side of Diane's family and the surname is just a guess, so much research went into looking for Aunt Kate and she couldn't be identified.

Right! Playing catchup again.


Kay.... Evelyn will probably remember her mother's funeral but I will ask her if she can recall who was there.


Sue....Am hoping that Evelyn manages to get hold of the certificate this weekend. We do have the names of the witnesses - I posted them yesterday. Also, if you look further back in the thread, the electoral rolls have already been checked. If you could list them for us on a separate posting, that would be great. Have a good weekend.


Traciey...thanks for the census - I've added it to the EGF post. Thanks also for the precis on Kathleen McDowell.


I have a feeling that Patrick has been looked at, but it may be worth you checking through and, again, making a separate posting about him.


Vicci....would you be able to communicate with Kathy (above) re Aunt Kate please? Yes, Diane's private allowance is a mystery.


Kathy...if you could look at Vicci's findings please, that would be a help if you find anything that needs checking out at the office. The old lady was 107 - it was moi who got it wrong and was duly slapped by FBG !


There are now 100 pages of this thread. If we can gather all the salient points and post them as separate posts, it will make life much easier and I won't need to keep ploughing through the 100 pages, but just move forward..... :-D


You're a great bunch.....thanks...... :-)

can someone see incoming...

Major R Mcleod from Bombay to Liverpool.......anyone with him,,,?


also Springfield Hospital......was called Springfield Asylum back in 1920s,then Springfield Mental Hospital.....now its pc of course.

in the scotish army,

Drum Major,Pipe Major,,easy to confuse as a child.

edit,,,,,,,,the trouble with Scotlands 1911 its doesnt give a place of birth or occupations,,,,,,,

Cynthia I think your correct if I remember there was a bit of research done on that Patrick and family but I'm happy to plug away at the family for a bit yet and I will post fully what I find.

Hi Kay,

I can't see the entry anywhere, maybe I am on the wrong site?

I have had a look at the newspapers this afternoon searching Stornoway and MacLeod 1900 - 1953

I did find a mention of Isabella who was 107 when she died:
Publication:Nottingham Evening Post
Publication date:Friday 05 November 1943
Article text:"Isabella Macleod. Island of Lewis, Stornoway, was 106 on Wednesday."

But that was all it said about her.

I also found this but too late for our Diane?

Publication:Inverness Courier
Publication date:Tuesday 18 September 1928
Article text:"Dinah Macleod Stornoway. 4 Dancing Highland Fling

It gives no further details just a list of who else was attending.

Kind regards
Amanda

Have just looked at the Medal Roll for the India General Service Medal of 1908. 1st Battalion Seaforths are included but there is no officer named Macleod or Leslie. There's a Private R Macleod, Regimental no 9801, with remark "Sent home to Army reserve" His records, if they have survived, might be on FMP or even Ancestry.

Just a stab in the dark.

UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949
about Robert Macleod Name: Robert Macleod
Campaign or Service: Gibraltar, Malta, Egypt
Service Date: 1899-1902
Service Location: Gibraltar, Malta, Egypt
Regiment or Unit Name: 3rd Battalion Seaforth Highlanders
Regimental Number: 4146

Posted at Fort George 12th April 1902
By Lt Col Hecto Munro Bomby 3rd Seaforth High's.( From Image).

..............................................................
Did also find on Ancestry

Promotions and appointments 19th Oct 1892 Indian Staff Corps.

Captains to become Majors ( Pub 16th dec Gaz )

R W Mcleod :-S.

....................................
Just another straw.

..Indian Army Quarterly List for 1 January 1912
about MacLeod General Text: Surname: MacLeod
NAME RANK: Bt.-Col. R. W.
DATE AWARD: 28 June 07
NAME AWARD: Order of the Bath - Military Companions (C. B.)
Page #: 618

I have no idea what the order of Bath means?
Trying to concentrate on Robert if that will help at all
...............................................................................
As you can see there are a lot to choose from re medal recipients.


PreviewName: Robert Macleod

UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949

PreviewName: Robert Macleod
Campaign or Service: Gibraltar, Malta, Egypt
Service Date: 1899-1902
Service Location: Gibraltar, Malta, Egypt
Regiment or Unit Name: 3rd Battalion Seaforth Highlanders
Regimental Number: 4146

Robert Macleod 3rd Battalion Seaforth Highlanders Gibraltar, Malta, Egypt 1899-1902

R Macleod 1st Battalion Royal Fusiliers South Africa 1899-1902

PreviewName: R Macleod
Campaign or Service: South Africa - Second Boer War
Service Date: 1899-1902
Service Location: South Africa


R Macleod 19th Lothian Company 6th Battalion South Africa 1899-1902

R L R Macleod Royal Artillery Medical Corps South Africa 1899-1902

R L R Macleod Royal Army Mediocal South Africa 1899-1902

R W Macleod 1st Battalion Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders Egypt 1882

R W Macleod 1st Battalion The Queens Own Cameron Highlanders Egypt 1882

R W Macleod 1st Battalion Egypt 1882

Do we know when Robert left the Army and when and where he died ? :-S

Amanda

Its listed just as,ANC------

Major R Macleod.

the destinaion Liverpool from Bombay.

Edit---Britishnewspapers?

search as,,,

Major Macleod throws some,,

I would have thought that to reach a rank of Major would have been quite an event and a mention somewhere local of his home place.?

Is this the one K ?.
This man is travelling on his own to
6 Pall Mall London,listed as from other parts of British Empire,born in 1901 so don't think it is him .

1960 Results
..UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Major R McLeod Name: Major R McLeod
Birth Date: abt 1901
Age: 38
Port of Departure: Bombay, India
Arrival Date: 13 Apr 1939
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Bombay
[Karachi]
Ship Name: City of Hong Kong
Search Ship Database: Search the 'City of Hong Kong' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Ellerman City Line
Official Number: 147140

There seems to be records of Diane .Leslie .Macleod ,6 in all from the site Family Link.com.

Has anyone got a sub to them if not I will join it ,I do have Ancestry and FMP but I an droping FMP when it runs out so looking for another site to join.

What do you think? any good .

Sue

Sue, I have just done the 'free trial' and there are no records!!! I had to put credit card in so just hoping they process my immediate cancellation notice!!

Thankyou Vanessa

I thought it looked a good site.

Sue :-)

I'm hoping our Ann will answer any military questions as she has a good knowledge of what has and has not been searched. :-)


Thank you for all the other input - must admit I haven't heard of the Family Link site :-S


Just a gentle nudge please......is anyone willing to go through the thread and list all the passenger lists which have been searched - it would save time going over and over the same thing all the time............thanks. :-)

Just copying an extract from Traciey's recent post so everyone knows what I'm talking about:
"Has anyone looked at the MacLeod family living across the road from Evelyn Goddard Fenwick, they are there for a number of years. Evelyn is at number 42 Foulser Road and Patrick MacFarlane MacLeod and his wife Norah Douthwitt Maud MacLeod live at number 31 Foulser Road. Can't find their marriage though if anyone wants to have a look. This is Patrick at home with his parents before his marriage to Norah. I can't find Patrick in 1911. "

I had a good look at this family but it wasn't exhaustive so hopefully Traciey you will find something I didn't.

Patrick and Norah married in Ireland in 1903 and in 1911 they are in Canada:

1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / British Columbia / Vancouver / 2 Vancouver City / page 32

Macleod Patrick 24 Cambridge Apts. M Head M Apr 1876 35
Macleod Norah Douthwill   F Wife M May 1872 39

Macleod Norah Gertrude   F Daughter S Jan 1910 1


Various bits of info have been posted about these Macleods mainly on pages 60, 73, 74 & 77.

When EGF and PM lived opposite each other at 42 and 31 Foulser Road it really was exactly opposite- they could have waved to each other through the window. That was from 1918 until 1925.

Finally, the birth that continues to intrigue me:

Births Sep 1904   (>99%)
MACLEOD  Doreen S    Wandsworth  1d 727   
McLeod  Doreen Shannon    Wandsworth  1d 727   


I can find no further records for this child and wondered if she became Diane.

ref my post on pg 60 I wondered if she was born to Patrick's sister, Jessie Shannon Macleod, before her marriage in 1906.

Pure speculation of course!


Wouldn't it be so much easier if we could just download the thread and print it all off in one go instead of having to trawl back through 100+ pages!

Julie

Thanks Julie, much appreciated. I have managed to gather a good bit on these particular MacLeod's/McLeod's but could not find that marriage or where they disappeared to in 1911. Weird I have that birth on Doreen S MacLeod saved in my shoe box but can't remember what I did with her, I will trawl through my shoebox to see if I saved anything else on her, Patrick's mother's maiden name is Shannon so hopefully we can find out who she is. At the moment I've traced the line of these MacLeod's/McLeod's to Luss in Scotland. Will dig some more and post if I find anything different to what's already been posted.

Cynthia

I am sorry but I was just responding to K???"s request to look up a
Major R Mcleod incoming from Bombay to Liverpool on Ancestry 27th Ap 17.20.

I did get a bit carried away ;-).

I will search anywhere and anything you want me too... just say the word:-).

Suex :-D

Family Link is US based,

Diane Leslie Macleod births from this site can be picked up on familysearch.org.,,,,,,,.cant see a connection to YOB.

British Library have BDM of India,,,,,,no births that could suggest to be Diane even if Diane was an invented name,

Gibralter have no BDM on line.

Thanks folks....... :-D


Julie - it's murder trawling back through all the pages isn't it? That's one reason why I think it may be useful to keep one post per topic and then chat inbetween - if you know what I mean. :-)

If you would like to keep plugging away at the speculative birth - that would be great.


Sue, thanks for the offer - so far we have the following who are trying to co-ordinate what has already been found:

Myself Goddard-Fenwicks

Renes Springfield Hospital

Annwas Military sites etc.

Traciey Patrick MacLeod

Kathy & Vicci The 107 year old woman



Chris is good at census


Sue, it would be helpful if you could gather all the passenger lists which have been looked at on here and post them (with the findings) on one post please.

(I don't think anyone else has volunteered to do that yet - but, if I am wrong, please get in touch with Sue) :-)


Please come in with your ideas as to how to make things easier on here without us having to constantly backtrack. :-D

Robert Macleod, the military angle!

The only facts we have on the supposed father of Diane Leslie Macleod is the information supplied by Evelyn from Diane’s marriage cert
My mother was Diane Leslie Macleod, she was born in 1906 in Delhi her father was Robert Macleod, Major, 1st Battalion Seaforth Highlanders who was deceased when Diane married in 1929. Diane also mentioned being at Fort George.
Although there appears to have originally some doubts in the thread about whether the 1Bn Seaforths were in India at the time of Diane’s birth, they were there in 1908 as men of that battalion were awarded the 1908 India General Service Medal ( page 102*) and were apparently in India from 1903 onwards (page 67). No officer named R Macleod. They were also in India on the 1911 census which also lists women and children in the barracks (page 28)*. That needs to be checked, too.
Various suggestions of men in the 1Bn Seaforth Highlanders have been put forward as possibilities, both men named Robert MacLeod/McLeod and Robert Leslie including men who were killed in WW1 -not officers, though, men with WW1 Medal cards, men with service records on Ancestry for WW1 – not officers - and London Gazette entries (See pages 1, 2, 16, 56, 62, 65, 66, 96 )*
Surviving WW1 Officers files for men named Robert Macleod/McLeod at the National Archives have been searched and none seem to fit. (page 35,66)
If he went on to serve after 1920 his file might still be with the MOD but those leaving the Army after 1920 but before WW2 are due to be released to the National Archives but no date given as to when that will be.
Medal records for men named Robert McLeod/Macleod prior to WW1 have been searched (pages 83, 98, 102)*.
Some passenger list entries have been mentioned (pages 50,93, 102)*
Some census entries have been suggested (pages 2, 25,91,)* and an electoral roll entry (page 92)*
Pre WW1 service records have been searched (page 46)*
Suggestions for pre WW1 officers (page 25,82)*
Army marriages have been searched (page 65) and Army births (page 47)*
Some findings on officers of the Indian Army, although of course the Seaforth Highlanders were British Army who just happened to be serving in India (pages 14, 99, 102)*
Findings on Scotland People in War Returns (page 14)*
I did some searching (in 2009!) of the Army Lists which I sent by pm to Evelyn
Had a look at some Army Lists today. Quite time consuming, so couldn't look at many*

I looked at 1906 - no R MacLeod in Seaforth Highlanders, 1916 there was a R McLeod, temporary Lieutenant 18/5/1916 in Seaforth Highlanders, and I looked at 1920, when this man did not appear.

A problem is that we don’t know when he was a Major – at Diane’s birth or much later? Do we accept that he was an officer, in which case we can discount non –officers.
Do we accept that the regiment (and battalion) is right?
Do we even know that the name is right, but as it’s all we have, perhaps we have to!

Added 11/5 Have made a start looking at the Army List for Robert MacLeod (Army List is a list of all serving officers, with rank and regiment, sometimes produced quarterly). Have just looked at Dec 1905, Jan 1906, Apr 1906, Jul 1906 and Oct 1906, when we might have expected him to be in the Army. No R Macleod in Seaforth Highlanders, although there are R Macleod's in other regiments.

Added 18/5 Checked Army Lists Jan, Jul, Oct 1907, Jan, Apr, Jul, Oct 1908, Jan, Apr, Jul, Oct 1909. No R Macleod in Seaforth Highlanders.

Added 12/6 Checked Army Lists Jan, July, Oct 1910, Jan, Apr, Jul, Oct 1911, Jan , Jul, Oct 1912. No R Macleod in Seaforth Highlanders.

Added 29/6 Checked Army Lists Jan, Apr, Jul, Oct 1913, Jan, Apr, Jul 1914 and Jan, Apr 1915. No R Macleod in Seaforth Highlanders.

Added 6/7 Checked Army Lists Jul, Oct 1915, Jan, Apr, Jul, Oct 1916, Jan, Apr, Jul, Oct 1917. No R Macleod in Seaforth Highlanders.

Looked at all 12 R Macleod/McLeod WW1 Officers files at the National Archives (Oct-Nov 2013). Results below

WO339/36766 Robert Macleod, 8th Seaforths, born 24/10/1890, single (a bit young to be Diane's father). Schoolmaster. Served 27/2/15-20/2/19 2 different addresses - Edderton House, Edderton, Ross shire and View Cottage Edderton, Ross-shire.

WO374/45065 Lt Robert McLeod, RGA. Born 29/8/1886, married. Previously Serg, no 17597. Enlisted 1903. Was in Hong Kong from Oct 1907 - date illegible. Address in Sept 1919 27 Dundee Terrace, Edinburgh. Previous address 171 Dalry (?) Rd, Edinburgh. Discharged 1919.

WO374/45068 Robert Watson McLeod. Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, but had served in RGA (T) for 4 years sometime 1915 or before. Born Anstruther, Fife. Aged 28 in 1916. Married Margaret Jane Walker 9/9/14. 1 child John Walker McLeod, born Glasgow 9/6/15. Address in Nov 1915 63 Calder St, Crosshill, Glasgow.

WO374/45067 Roderick Paterson Macleod,b Knockbain(?), nr Dingwall, Ross-shire 25/12/1877, d 14/12/1918, 2 Lt,Royal Engineers. Wife Elizabeth Jane, nee Rusbridge. Married 1909, Preston, Sussex. No children mentioned. Lived Brighton.

WO374/45066 Robert Duncan Macleod, b 27/6/1885, Greenock. 2nd Lt, Highland Light Infantry, previously Lance Corporal, no 266807. Mother Jessie. Occupation Librarian. Single in 1916. Lived 50 Thistle St, Dunfermline.

WO339/124541 Robert Leighton McLeod.Previously Pte 911823, late British Columbia Regimental Depot. Commissioned RFC 21/2/18. Born Pullman, Washington, USA, 28/1/1899. Father Rev A.M (?) Mcleod, lived Chilliwack, British Columbia.

WO339/34127 Capt Robert Mitchell McLeod MC. Army Cyclist Corps. Served 12/7/15-29/1/19. Born 11/12/1888, Glasgow. Single in Jun 1915. Address in Jun 1915 4 Belgrave St, Glasgow. Occupation Student and Teacher. Address in 1931 Clarebrand, Castle Douglas, Kircudbrightshire.

WO339/13344 Ronald McLeod. Born 17/2/1900, Father Roderick (unknown to me). Pte 1/28157. Rejected in application for Flying Officer, 30/11/17. Address The Gardens, Callendar House, Falkirk.

WO339/93853 Reginald Edward James McLeod. Born 12/10/1871, Middlesborough. Joined Leics Regiment as a boy, 1885. Discharged to pension Sept 1908, rank Regimental Quartermaster Sergeant. Appointed as Yeoman Warder of HM Tower of London on discharge and served as such until 23/11/14. Lt, Honorable Artillery Company 5/12/14, Lt Army Ordnance Depot 1916, Capt RAOC 1918,. Left Army Sept 1919, when his address was 191 Wimbledon Park Rd, London SW15. Working as labourer at Ordnance Depot at Bramley, Hants in 1925. Still alive on 20/8/35, when his address was Beausile, Bramley, Hants

WO339/138479 Robert McLeod Born 29/12/1885, Downe, Perthshire. Single in Nov 1917. Address in 1917 8 Balkerach St, Downe. Occupation Salesman and Commercial Traveller. Joined Highland Light Infantry 14/9/14. Company Quartermaster Sergeant 19545


WO339/131947 Robert Charles McLeod. Born 1894. Previously Sergeant 85762 (Canadian Army). Lived Lansdowne, Canada. Bank clerk. Applied for appointment to RFC.

WO339/113416 Robert McLeod. Born 1/1/1898. Father John, 18 Roxburgh St, Greenock. Previously 175613 RFA. Discharged to commission 2/6/1918.

Have posted my summary of military findings on Robert Macleod (page 102)

All items marked * need to be checked and researched further, if poss, to eliminate or confirm! So if any kind people would like to volunteer to check out the following * items, please can they pm me telling me which one(s) they'd like to do, then I can make sure we're not duplicating efforts and make sure every item is covered . I'll also add names on this thread as to who is doing what - I'm doing Item 11. Thank you to anyone who can help!

Here's the list

1 Although there appears to have originally some doubts in the thread about whether the 1Bn Seaforths were in India at the time of Diane’s birth, they were there in 1908 as men of that battalion were awarded the 1908 India General Service Medal ( page 102*)

2 They were also in India on the 1911 census which also lists women and children in the barracks (page 28)*

3 Various suggestions of men in the 1Bn Seaforth Highlanders have been put forward as possibilities, both men named Robert MacLeod/McLeod and Robert Leslie including men who were killed in WW1 -not officers, though, men with WW1 Medal cards, men with service records on Ancestry for WW1 – not officers - and London Gazette entries (See pages 1, 2, 16, 56, 62, 65, 66, 96 )*

4 Medal records for men named Robert McLeod/Macleod prior to WW1 have been searched (pages 83, 98, 102)*.

5 Some passenger list entries have been mentioned (pages 50,93, 102)*

6 Some census entries have been suggested (pages 2, 25,91,)* and an electoral roll entry (page 92*)

7 Pre WW1 service records have been searched (pages 46)*
Suggestions for pre WW1 officers (page 25,82)*

8 Army marriages have been searched (page 65) and Army births (page 47)*

9 Some findings on officers of the Indian Army, although of course the Seaforth Highlanders were British Army who just happened to be serving in India (pages 14, 99, 102)*

10 Findings on Scotland People in War Returns (page 14)*

11 I did some searching (in 2009!) of the Army Lists which I sent by pm to Evelyn
Had a look at some Army Lists today. Quite time consuming, so couldn't look at many* ANNIE LAURIE