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Diane seems to have fibbed about a lot of things so I wouldn't say that the fact she said her father was deceased at the time of her marriage is necessarily true!

There are many just as an initial and not in full name on incoming passenger lists,,,

D L Macleod,

Miss D Macleod.

etc........

Just a very long shot.

This is Evelyn's post from 2009

Evelyn Report 11 Mar 2009 20:49
I have seen my mothers marriage certificate and it gives her father as Robert Macleod , Major Seaforth Highlanders ,deceased.
She married my father Herbert Robert John Roy in Wandsworth in 1929 and died on 28th July 1953 in Weymouth dorset.
Mum was 46 when she died


So I am looking at the marriage details - and wonder about the following:

Evelyn said she has 'seen' the marriage certificate - is it the original - or from GRO. Either way has anyone seen the original marriage record (is it possible to see it?) - wondering if, just if, there might be something in the parish register in Wandsworth? I have checked (on a different thread) about amendments/ notations in margins, not saying there will be anything but........

I'm seeing MacLeods wherever I look these days.... :-D

Thank you for all your efforts, please feel free to follow any leads or links which you think may help.

I have asked Evelyn if she could please let me have the details from her mother's marriage certificate but she can't do anything until the weekend. Even seeing who the witnesses are would be helpful - I think FBG saw a copy of it a couple of years ago.

Kay, I know many passenger lists were looked at re MacLeods but nothing could be found. We certainly won't rule them out though.


Yes, Annie, Diane WAS a fibber apparently - which certainly doesn't help one iota :-(


Like many of you, I just don't understand how a person can suddenly appear, working at Springfield Hospital, and there be no paper trail behind them...... :-S


Very grateful....... :-)

Does anyone know the names of the KIRBYs at Khartoum Road,,,,,,,which isnt in Wandsworth its in Tooting...another is in E13.

Is an exact date of birth known for Diane?

Agnes Meikleham Macleod

Edward Tait Kirby married in Edmonton London 1900......I think Agnes shows as bn Glasgow in 1911.?

I'm spending a little time going through the thread again........

Kay, is this the D. L. MacLeod you mention??


This is from a couple of years ago: sorry, didn't copy which of you kind people found it.....


I wonder if these people have anything to do with Diana
UK incoming passenger list

Dora Leslie Macleod
BIRTH:
abt 1881
DEPARTURE:
La Plata, Argentina
ARRIVAL:
4 May 1939 - London, England
OTHER:
La Plata
It say's single ,occupation ,student

then I find her at 47b Harrington gardens Kensington and Chelsea from 1946-1949

they are the only references to her I can find could she be the mother of Diane ? or am I getting to far ahead


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Right, the name Kirby rings a bell will see if i can find it and will also post the last synopsis I managed to do. :-D

1911
KIRBY, Edward T Head Married M 39 1872 Congregational Minister London Clerkenwell
KIRBY, Agnes M Wife Married10 years F 40 1871 Lanark Glasgow Resident
KIRBY, Kenneth Macleod Son M 1 1910 Midddlesex Whetstone
MACLEOD, Helen Visitor Widow F 75 1836 Ayrshire Kilmarnock Resident
OUTEN, Margaret Servant Single F 17 1894 General Servant Domestic Hants Havant
RG number: RG14
Piece: 5474
Reference: RG14PN5474 RG78PN250 RD89 SD1 ED11 SN206
Registration District: Havant
Sub District: Havant
Enumeration District: 11
Parish: Havant
Address: The Manse West Street Havant
County: Hampshire

1901
KIRBY, Edward Tait Head Married M 29 1872 Congregational Minister
Islington, London
KIRBY, Agnes M Wife Married F 30 1871
Glasgow Scotland
CHESTERS, Martha Servant Single F 18 1883 Domestic Servant
Hope Parish Mold, Flintshire
Piece: 3539
Folio: 137
Page: 22
Registration District: Ormskirk
Civil Parish: Southport
Municipal Borough:
Address: 24, Marsden Road, Southport
County: Lancashire

Chris :)

Khartoum Rd
London Borough of Newham, London E13

(is that above Kay?)

1891
MACLEOD, Donald Head Married M 60 1831 Minister Of Park Parish
Campsie, Stirlingshire N/A
MACLEOD, Isabella Wife Married F 56 1835
Port Glasgow, Renfrewshire N/A
MACLEOD, Agnes M Daughter Unmarried F 20 1871
Partick, Lanarkshire N/A
MACLEOD, Norman Son Unmarried M 18 1873 Clerk (Accountants)
Glasgow, Lanarkshire N/A
ROBERTSON, Wm Visitor Married M 44 1847 Clergy Man Church Of Sectd
Edinr, Midlothian N/A
MCCREATH, Margaret Servant Unmarried F 20 1871 General Domestic Serv
Ballantrae, Ayrshire N/A
MUNRO, Mary Servant Unmarried F 32 1859 General Domestic Serv
Inverary G & E, Argyllshire N/A
FINLAYSON, Isabella Servant Unmarried F 30 1861 General Domestic Serv
Lochalsh G & E, Invernessshire N/A
Piece: 644
Folio: 48
Page: 21
Registration District: Kelvin
Civil Parish: Barony
Municipal Borough:
Address: Woodlands Terrace, Barony
County: Lanarkshire

Okay folks.....here we go.........


DIANE LESLIE MacLEOD born cJune 1906-8 India?


No verification of this birth can be found whatsoever. Searches have been
made of Indian, Scottish and English births by many people but to no avail as yet.


Possibilities: This is not her real name.

DIANE: Searches have been made under: Donaldina, Dolinda, Dolina etc. - nothing found.


LESLIE: She was very attached to her middle name of Leslie and insisted it was spelt that way. She gave the name to one of her sons. Some searches have been made re this name but maybe we need to do more.


MacLEOD : On her marriage certificate (1929 in London), she states her
father to be Major Robert MacLeod of the 1st Seaforth Highlanders, Deceased. Nothing of him can be confirmed despite extensive military searches being made. These can be found on ps 2-4 and 14-15 – 29 and 36 of this thread.


Her family were told that she went to live on Stornoway with ‘Aunt Kate and
cousins Donald & Ishbel (Isabelle)’.

***This family has been researched as probably the family of Rev. Donald MacLeod who was the minister of the church in Tarbat. The present Incumbent of that church has been contacted and was most helpful.

That family consisted of:
Donald Smith MacLeod 1854 -1930 in Roseneath, Dumbarton.
Kate Isles Wylie 1864 - 1935 (Widow) in Roseneath,
Jean Annabella 1888 - ?
Katherine Mary 1890 - ? Married Archibald K. MacLean.
Donald Stanley 1890 – Lieut. RN.
Murdo 1891 - Wounded at Gallipoli
Lizzie Isles 1893 – Married a McMurchie
Hector Ian 1895 – 1916 Killed in Action
Ishbel 1896 – 1976 in Inverness. Married a Grieve
Barabel 1898 – 1923 in Cornwall
Norman 1900 – Wounded in France 1918
Margaret 1900 - ????
Roderick Callum 1902 - ?
Barabel, who was a Seed Analyst, for the Board of Agriculture, died at the
age of 25 in Cornwall. FBG discovered a family by the name of Bolitho one of whom married a MacLeod from Ross-shire. See p. 44 of this thread for more details.

*** PLEASE NOTE. LAST YEAR, A MEMBER OF THE ABOVE FAMILY CONTACTED US TO SAY THAT DIANE IS NOT CONNECTED TO THEM.


Diane stated that she went to school in Stornoway. The most likely school
would be the Nicolson Institute. A search has been made for her under D.L.M but there is no sign of her under that name.

Other local schools have been contacted but there is nothing to be found under D.L.M.


Some doubt has emerged as to whether or not Tarbat is the right place to be looking as it is too far away from Stornoway.


There is no sign of a DLM on the 1911 Scottish census see p.41


The first absolute sighting we have of her is when she started work at Springfield
7.6.1927 - 19.6.1928. There are, apparently, no more notes in her file.


In 1929 she married, as Diane Leslie MacLeod, a Herbert R.J. Roy in London. Up until her marriage, she received a private allowance, source unknown.


The address given on her marriage certificate is 53 Khartoum Road, Wandsworth, London. The Electoral Roll for 1929 shows the family living at that address were named Kirby. There is no sign of Diane anywhere in Khartoum Road . She may just have been boarding there for a short time prior to her marriage.


Our Evelyn was born in 1932 at 44 Dafforne Road, Wandsworth and Diane and her husband show up there on the Electoral Roll. The voters listed at 44 Dafforne Road in 1932 are:


Evelyn Gertrude Goddard-Fenwick Herbert Robert John Roy, Diane Leslie Roy, Kathleen McDowell. The voters listed at the same address in 1931, in case it is of relevance, are Frederick Robert Smithson, Alice Smithson, Edward Hubert Mearing, Doris Mearing, and Kathleen McDowell, and in 1933, Evelyn Gertrude Savile Goddard-Fenwick, Emily Goddard-Fenwick, and Kathleen McDowell. It looks very much as though this was a house which had lodgers.


Some research has been done on the other occupants but nothing worthwhile was found.


Evelyn Goddard-Fenwick is whom our Evelyn is named after and was her
Godmother. See ps. 22-23 of this thread for more details.


Various living Goddard-Fenwick’s have been contacted but to no avail. You can pm me for details on that. We have, over the last couple of years, drawn up a fairly comprehensive family tree for the G-Fs but simply cannot trace the connection.


Just before the search drew to a halt last year, Evelyn remembered her mother reading a local newspaper (Dorset?)in the early 1950's and finding either an article or an obituary about a very old lady who had died in Stornoway aged 91. She stated that it was Aunt Kate.


Scotland's People was searched for possible deaths but again, we drew a blank. It would be helpful if we could get a copy of that newspaper but that's rather a longshot I think - unless ????


So this is where the search is up to so far and many members have taken Evelyn and her search to their hearts.


If anyone feels they would like to tackle any of the unresolved issues or
re-check anything that has already been done….please do so. It may be that something has been missed or new information is available. Any new info can be added on here.


EDIT. FBG's search re the elderly lady's death, can be found between pages 80-89.


Kay.....from the synopsis - that's where I'd seen the name Kirby.... :-)

Can we have the full names of Evelyn's brothers, please? (and any explanation where their christian names may have come from - ie Evelyn's Dads family, perhaps)

Will need to check that Ann, but I think she has told us somewhere on here. Sadly, one of them died just a few weeks ago. I know there was an Ian, and a Robert but I can't remember the third. Must be bedtime........brain is fading......

I do remember that her father was Herbert Roy.

Yes, Cynthia, I remember the first names of the brothers but don't remember if any middle names. Was the 3rd one Rodney B? If so, he appears to have been registered in 1937 with a note "see D 1947", then a child of the same name is registered in Dec quarter 1947 - seems odd??

1---Cousins,,,,,,,would these be of a similar age to Diane?

2-----Aunt Kate,,,,,could she have been --Catherine-Katherine-Kathleen,

3,Has Ireland been checked for births?

4,Could Robert Macleod have been a stepfather?

Had incomming passengr list been all looked at with a birth as 1905,,,many Macleods destination as --Greenock and Glasgow,
as Diane states born in India,she must have at that time come to UK by sea,could even be listed as infant,

including-----Major Guthrie Robert Macleod ,,,,another as MAGOR Macleod,,,,,these could have family listed with them?

I think it´s been said before that Diana is an unlikely, though not impossible,name for a child born in the 1900s. Much more likely to have been adopted by a girl in the 1920s who didn´t like her birth name.
But then, I think it´s fairly clear that she wasn´t entirely truthful on a number of points.
It´s like trying to piece together my mother´s origins all over again (& despite having my suspicions, I have never got to the bottom of that either, but that´s another story.)

This extract appears to confirm that the Major, if he is a major, would have most likely been in India at the time Diane claims:

The Seaforth’s stayed in Egypt until late 1902 before sailing to India where they were garrisoned at Nasirabad, Spottiswood having
been promoted to Major on the 7th of December 1901. He became the Regimental 2 i/c on the 6th of June 1903 before assuming
command of the Battalion on the 22nd of December 1905 having been with the same unit for 24 years. Whilst in India (including
Nowshera) he commanded his Battalion in operations on the North West Frontier in the Mohmand country and was in the
engagement at Matta. For this he received the I.G.S.M. with bar for North West Frontier 1908. Retirement from the army must

India General Service Medal (1909)From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search India General Service Medal

Statistics
Established 1909

The Indian General Service Medal (1909 IGSM) was a campaign medal approved on 1 January 1909,[1] for issue to officers and men of the British and Indian armies. In 1925 it was also awarded to officers and men of the Royal Air Force.

The 1909 IGSM was awarded for various minor military campaigns in India, during 1908 to 1935. Each campaign was represented by a clasp on the ribbon; 12 were sanctioned.[2]

This might just be another avenue to search :-|

Cynthia, I'm pretty sure the witnesses were from Evelyn's fathers side so not sure this will be much help, but then again, anything goes :-S

Have read this thread several times but can't remember if this girl was looked at.

Would Diane liked to have been born a Deidre? Could Diane have been frugal with the truth re age?

Think the visitor references for the children mean born during parents visit to that country.

Private means, a governess and servant, might explain allowance until she married.

Unable to find marriage or death for Deidre, Hope and Duncan, they may have gone to Scotland though. No father's name as Hope already a widow.

Perhaps they went to Scotland to their father's family and if mum died or remarried Deidre may have gone to father's relatives.


1911 Census Household Record

Household information

Address 7 Wimborne Gardens W Ealing
Parish Ealing
Town W Ealing
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 6
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN6876 RG78PN343A RD128 SD4 ED9 SN130
Administrative County Middlesex
Registration District Brentford
Registration Sub District Brentford
Enumeration District 9

Householder 1

Name Hope Mcleod
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married Widow
Gender F
Age 38
Estimated Year of Birth 1873
Occupation Private Means
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Farnham Surrey

Householder 2

Name Deidre Mcleod
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1905
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Mussoorie India Visitor

Householder 3

Name Duncan Mcleod
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1907
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Mango Ireland Visitor

Householder 4

Name Magali Mercanton
Relationship to Head of Household Governess
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1891
Occupation Governess
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Switzerland Resident

Householder 5

Name Elizabeth Kinnan
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 28
Estimated Year of Birth 1883
Occupation General Servant Domestic
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Longford Ireland Resident

Sorry this may be another strand to chase up

:-)

Not sure where this collection is, but it is Indian Army Officers photos and there is a Robert Macleod Hawkins listed

http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/indiaofficeselect/PhotoShowDescs.asp?CollID=130


Edit: Held in Pancras London, and appears to be several for this gent!

While at the register office yesterday I checked out all c Macleod / mcleod deaths from 1946 till 1960 in stornoway aged 80 and above

1 Catherine Macleod d 31 march 1951 aged 95 widow of Donald Macleod fisherman informant Donald Macleod son .Parents Murdo Macleod fisherman and Margaret Macleod ms Campbell

2 Catherine Macleod d 16 june 1956 aged 92 widow of Angus Macleod fisherman informant Donald Macleod son .Parent Isabella Finlayson no father

3 Catherine Macleod d 23 feb 1946 aged 46 wid of Roderick Macleod fisherman informant Finlay Macleod brother in law .Parents John Macleod fisherman and AnnMacleod ms Macleod

4 Catherine Macleod d 29 aug 1949 aged 82 wid of Malcolm Macleod fisherman informant ? Macleod son .Parents John McIver fisherman and Kate McIver ms Mascaskill

5 Catherine Macleod d 4 feb 1950 aged 81 wid of Kenneth Macleod fisherman informant D Macleod nephew . Parents Roderick Morrison fisherman and Flora Morrison ms Macleod

6 Catherine Macleod d 23 july 1949 aged 81 wid of Malcolm Macleod baker informant John Macleod son . Parents John Macleod stone mason and Jessie Macleod ms Mackay .

There were no K Macleod / Mcleod

Hope this helps

Kathy

Now I'm dizzy! Thank you everyone.

Where to start?

Evelyn's brothers: Ian Leslie Walter (Walter was from the Roy side). Rodney Brian and Robert John.

The point with the birth query is because Rodney's registration took place much later and was backdated.


Because of the nature of the mystery surrounding Diane, Evelyn is unaware of any cousins. This is why we have been trying to seek out Godparents to see if they are related.


I actually wonder if it's time to take a different slant on this thread.........I'm finding going back and forth looking for various things over the last 4 years really confusing and time consuming - and I may well miss something.

May I make a suggestion? :-)

What if everyone paired up and studied one aspect together?

eg. 2 look at the work already done on Robert MacLeod and link it up where possible.

2 look at the work done on passenger lists to see if any have been missed.

2 look at the work done on possible census for Diane.

2 look at the work done on the old lady who died at 104 to see if we can go further


The findings could then be posted on here which would, hopefully, stop people from spending time looking for something which has been done, and maybe give us a clue of where to stop looking and where to start instead.


Does that make sense, or does anyone have another idea of how we can bring this together so that it flows better?


If so, are there any volunteers who have expertise in certain subjects?


I'm happy to deal with the Godparents issue-Fenwick Goddard's etc. as I have almost got my head round that and feel there has to be a link somewhere.


Thoughts anyone??? :-S