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Hi All,this is a real tough one.Im looking for the maiden name of a Ellen Hope born circa 1847,she was married to a Golden Hope born circa 1821-26,I have looked for a marriage between 1869-1874,but to no avail their 1st child wa born 1875 her name being Ellen born Epsom,Surrey,PLEASE-Im hoping someone can help.thanking you in advance Terry

The birth certificate of her child will have her maiden name on it.

Ellen's birth cert should give mothers maiden name

thank you Pat and Jan,but I think other family members have tried that,but again to no avail.

What do you mean to no avail?
Births Mar 1875
Hope Ellen Epsom 2a 13
Is the Mother's name on the certificate?

1871 for ref
Name: Ellen Hope
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Golden Hope
Gender: Female
Where born: Epsom, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Epsom
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martins
Town: Epsom
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England


Name: Golden Hope
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen Hope
Gender: Male
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Epsom
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martins
Town: Epsom

e: Golden Hope
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's name: Golden Hope
Mother's name: Ellen Hope
Gender: Male
Where born: Epsom, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Epsom
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martins
Town: Epsom

Name: Robert Hope
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's name: Golden Hope
Mother's name: Ellen Hope
Gender: Male
Where born: Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Epsom
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martins
Town: Epsom
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Name: Robert Hope
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's name: Golden Hope
Mother's name: Ellen Hope
Gender: Male
Where born: Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Epsom
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martins
Town: Epsom
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

e: Leami Hope
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Golden Hope
Mother's name: Ellen Hope
Gender: Female
Where born: Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Epsom
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martins


Name: Walley Hope
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Father's name: Golden Hope
Mother's name: Ellen Hope
Gender: Male
Where born: Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Epsom
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martins
Town: Epsom
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Epsom
Sub-registration district: Epsom

Pat what I mean is that some other family member sent for the birth cert and her maiden name was not on it

yes thats the same family Jan

Ellen's father appears to be Edward.
Was Golden a nickname I wonder ?

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Births Mar 1875
Hope Ellen - Epsom 2a 13




Ellen Hope --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Christening: 11 APR 1875 Epsom, Surrey, England
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Parents:
Father: Edward Hope
Mother: Ann Hope

as far as I know Mike he was just known as Golden

Looking at Ellen's siblings, it's a different family

Can't see another Ellen hope born 1875 born Epsom


Household: 1881

Edward HOPE Head M Male 48 Tonbridge, Kent, England Butcher
Ann HOPE Wife M Female 46 Leatherhead, Surrey, England
Emily HOPE Daur U Female 21 Epsom, Surrey, England Butchers Daur
Harriet Ann HOPE Daur U Female 20 Epsom, Surrey, England Butchers Daur
Kate HOPE Daur U Female 17 Epsom, Surrey, England Butchers Daur
Edward HOPE Son U Male 15 Epsom, Surrey, England Butcher
Agnes HOPE Daur U Female 12 Epsom, Surrey, England Scholar
Frank HOPE Son Male 10 Epsom, Surrey, England Scholar
Arthur HOPE Son Male 9 Epsom, Surrey, England Scholar
Ellen HOPE Daur Female 6 Epsom, Surrey, England Scholar
Bertha HOPE Daur Female 4 Epsom, Surrey, England Scholar


Dwelling High Street
Census Place Epsom, Surrey, England

Hi Mike in 1891 I have the family living in Colchester ?

If this is them, then according to the census none of them were born Surrey

Household:1881

Golden HOPE Head M Male 60 Cambridge, Cambridge, England Engine Fitter
Ellen HOPE Wife M Female 33 Cambridge, Cambridge, England
Ellen HOPE Daur. Female 6 Cambridge, Cambridge, England Scholar
Annie HOPE Daur. Female 5 Cambridge, Cambridge, England Scholar
Arthur HOPE Son Male 2 Cambridge, Cambridge, England
Bertha HOPE Daur. Female 7 m Cambridge, Cambridge, England


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Dwelling 3 Newmarket Terr. Newmarket Rd
Census Place Cambridge, Cambridge, England

Neither Surrey nor Cambridge but perhaps this is young Bertha


Births Dec 1880 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hope Bertha - Maldon 4a 359

Mike I have Bertha born Braintree in my tree 1880

Golden is not a nickname - I remember when Barbara Windsor did "Who do you think you are" one of her rellies was called Golden

Hi Terry - Do you think perhaps this would a good time to check everything you are absolutely sure of working backwards. Just to make sure that you haven't got 2 families mixed up? Also, when you say the birth cert doesn't have a mothers maiden name are you saying that it just gives parents as Golden Hope and Ellen Hope? If so that's most unusual.
Christine

Hi Christine,no im sure ive got the same family the problem is that they were gypsys and in every census they either changed there names or where they were born,this has been an ongoing tree for a few years now,and ive almost pieced it all together,with a few acceptions this case of finding out Ellens maiden name,one family member has been trying for 15yrs so you could say its the last piece of the puzzle

Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 4

Month: Jan

Year: 1882

Forenames: Bertha

Surname: HOPE

Relationship: of

Father forenames: Golding

Fathers occupation: smith

Mother forenames: Ellen

Birth Day:

Birth Month:

Birth Year:

Abode: of Newmarket Rd

Place: Cambridge, St Andrew the Less

County: Cambridgeshire,England
(Privately)


(one Baptism entry from Cambridge)

Chris :)

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
about Golden Hope
Name: Golden Hope
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Date of Trial: 19 Feb 1839
Trial Year: 1839
Location of Trial: Essex, England
Sentence: Imprisonment

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
about Golden Hope
Name: Golden Hope
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Date of Trial: 30 Jun 1840
Trial Year: 1840
Location of Trial: Essex, England
Sentence: Acquittal

(not sure if these relate)

Thank you Elizabeth and thank you Chris,yes that is the same Golden Chris,and I will look up to see if Ellens maiden name might of been the same.