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this is just a nudge to see if anyone else is willing to take up the challange

Thanks Chris you,vr been a great help.Terry

Sorry Terry, GR were messin' up!!...

Hope something turns up for you, fingers crossed.

Chris :)

Sarah died 1847,not sure of Mary though

Have you got Deaths for these former wives, before he got to Ellen?...

Chris :)

his 2nd wife was Mary/Moll Smith

yes Sarah Wright.....spot on Chris

On following him through the different census, seems the County he was in at the time was their birthplace!.
Perhaps they didn't marry?...

Chris :)


Marriages Jun 1841 (>99%)
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BUGG John Colchester 12 85
Hope Golden Colchester 12 85
Joyce John Colchester 12 85
WALKER Maria Colchester 12 85
WRIGHT Louisa Colchester 12 85
WRIGHT Sarah Colchester 12 85

(so one of these was his first wife?)...

Thanks for the PM this could be part of the same family they were gypsys

Sent pm Terry.

1861 Census

HOPE, John Head Married M 44 1817 As Implements Repairer Of...
Epping
Essex VIEW
HOPE Wife Married F 40 1821
Unknown VIEW
HOPE Son M 14 1847
Unknown VIEW
HOPE Son M 12 1849
Unknown VIEW
HOPE Son M 10 1851
Unknown VIEW
HOPE Son M 8 1853
Unknown VIEW
HOPE Son M 6 1855
Unknown VIEW
HOPE Daughter F 6 1855
Unknown VIEW
HOPE Daughter F 1 1860
Unknown VIEW

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
974 Folio:
19 Page:
31

Registration District:
Huntingdon Sub District:
4 Huntingdon Enumeration District:
1 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Brampton Municipal Borough:
Address:
This Cash Family Were Sleeping In A Caravan ###, Brampton Street, Brampton County:
Huntingdonshire

(this seems to have an interesting bit written on image, not sure what it says!) or if related.

Chris :)

Thanks Helen I will check it out

yes please Chris.....great

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Bertha Faith Hope
Name: Bertha Faith Hope
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Spouse Name: Kendal James Cree Thurston
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 30 Sep 1905
Parish: Christ Church, Somers Town
County: London
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Golden Hope
Spouse Father Name: Edward Thurston

is this Bertha's marriage?

I've since found snippets in newspaper relating to cases, if you want them.

Chris :)

Thank you Elizabeth and thank you Chris,yes that is the same Golden Chris,and I will look up to see if Ellens maiden name might of been the same.

Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 4

Month: Jan

Year: 1882

Forenames: Bertha

Surname: HOPE

Relationship: of

Father forenames: Golding

Fathers occupation: smith

Mother forenames: Ellen

Birth Day:

Birth Month:

Birth Year:

Abode: of Newmarket Rd

Place: Cambridge, St Andrew the Less

County: Cambridgeshire,England
(Privately)


(one Baptism entry from Cambridge)

Chris :)

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
about Golden Hope
Name: Golden Hope
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Date of Trial: 19 Feb 1839
Trial Year: 1839
Location of Trial: Essex, England
Sentence: Imprisonment

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
about Golden Hope
Name: Golden Hope
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Date of Trial: 30 Jun 1840
Trial Year: 1840
Location of Trial: Essex, England
Sentence: Acquittal

(not sure if these relate)

Hi Christine,no im sure ive got the same family the problem is that they were gypsys and in every census they either changed there names or where they were born,this has been an ongoing tree for a few years now,and ive almost pieced it all together,with a few acceptions this case of finding out Ellens maiden name,one family member has been trying for 15yrs so you could say its the last piece of the puzzle

Hi Terry - Do you think perhaps this would a good time to check everything you are absolutely sure of working backwards. Just to make sure that you haven't got 2 families mixed up? Also, when you say the birth cert doesn't have a mothers maiden name are you saying that it just gives parents as Golden Hope and Ellen Hope? If so that's most unusual.
Christine

Golden is not a nickname - I remember when Barbara Windsor did "Who do you think you are" one of her rellies was called Golden