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I've been researching my ancestor St Phorien Andre (1780 - 1849). I can trace my family links back to him, but the earliest reference I can find is that he lived in Hammersmith from about 1832, working as a teacher of French and Spanish. Unfortunately I can't trace any of his background before that, although he had at least 7 children and was married twice (his marriage certificate to Mary Ann in 1845 shows him as a widower).
Family stories suggest that he was born in France and fought in the French army with Napoleon, but I can't find anything to substantiate this.
Any help would be welcome.
Barbara

Hi Barbara
Found this on `church of latter day saints`

1881 British Census
St Phorian Andre
Birth Year ; 1863
Birthplace: London,Middlesex
Age : 18
Occupation: Barman
Marital Status: Un
Head of Household: Jane Andre
Relation : Son

Source Information:
Dwelling: 6 Kimbolton Row
Census Place: London,Middlesex
Family History Library Film: 1341018
Public Records Office Ref.: RG11
Piece/Folio: 0082/11
Page No. : 16

Household:
Name Relation marital stat age occ.
Jane ANDRE Head W 38 charwoman

St.Phorian son U 18 Barman
ANDRE

Frederick son 11 Scholar
ANDRE

All born London,Middlesex,England

Don`t know if you have this already ? Have you tried Googling for him? I tried and got some genealogy sites but as my french was not good enough I can`t work out how to `read `the information ie. how it is set out. It`s woth a try you will probably be better at it than me.!!
cathy

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St.Phorien Andre, 1846 LDN UK
Posted by: Keith Watford Date: June 07, 1999 at 05:57:39
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St.Phorien Andre
researching history of the Andre family -my GGG/father st.Phorien Andre.Came to England during Fr.Revolution.I have just discovered he was Nap's staff officer so it is poss he came to England after retreat from Moscow.St.Phorien and my GGGo had 8 children before marrying in 1846, so perhaps he was married when he met Mary Ann.Has anyone have any info on Andre family.

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CATHY x

Thanks for your interest Cathy.

In fact the St Phorien born in 1863 is the grandson of the one I'm looking for. I've tried Googling without success, both French and English sites. To find out anything in France I need the place of birth, which I don't have.

I'd also found the entry on the Andre Family forum, which is very interesting. Unfortunately it was posted a long time ago and I haven't been able to contact Keith Watford, who's obviously looking for the same information as I am.

I have a name for St Phorien's father from his marriage certificate, and names of his brothers (I think) but would love to find out whether he was born in France and whether the army stories are true.

Barbara

Good evening,

Im not sure if anyone will read this message.

However, I am researching the Andre family tree. My grandmothers maiden name was Andre which died out in her line after her death. However, myself, my son, my uncle and my cousin all have it as our middle name!

I have done quite a bit of research for Pharion. As well as a linguist he also owned a tobacco shop later in life!

I would also be quite interested in finding out more about his life in France and who his parents were. Did anyone manage to find any more information?

Thanks,
Jack

Jack

This thread is more than 12 years old and I doubt that anyone is still checking it. You could try to contact any of the people who have added to the thread by clicking on their name and sending a private message. If they still have the same email address that they registered with Genes then they will get your message, but there is nothing to say they definitely will.

Kath. x

Barbara is no longer a member of GR, and Catherine was merely trying to help her

Death
ANDRE, PHORIEN 69
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in KENSINGTON PADDINGTON AND FULHAM Volume 03 Page 356

1841 confirms that he was born abroad

Name: Saint Phorien Andre (Professor of French & Spanish languages)
[Saint Phorien André]
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Foreign Parts****************************
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Hundred: Ossulstone (Kensington Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration District: Kensington
Sub-registration District: Hammersmith St Peter
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 690
Book: 7
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Saint Phorien Andre 55
Mary Andre 30
George Andre 13
Elizabeth Andre 11
Frederick Andre 6
Emily Andre 4
William Andre 1

Children all born Middlesex
ANDRE, WILLIAM JOSEPH MILES
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in KENSINGTON UNION Volume 03 Page 239

Name: Saint Pharien Andre............Widower, Teacher of Languages
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 8 Jul 1845
Marriage Place: St Martin-In-The-Fields, London, Westminster, England
Father: Peter Andre........................................Physician
Spouse: Mary Ann Miles

First wife?

Name: Esther Elizabeth Bruzaud
Gender: Female
Record Type: Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date: 22 Aug 1826
Marriage Banns Place: St George, Bloomsbury, Camden, England
Spouse: Saint Phorien André
Register Type: Parish Register


Name: Esther Elizabeth Andre
Age: 30
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1797
Death Date: abt 1827
Burial Date: 30 Aug 1827
Burial Place: St James, Piccadilly, Westminster, England
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Name: Phorien Andre
Court Date: 18 Dec 1848
Court Place: London, England
Role: victim
Collection: Proceedings of the Old Bailey
ID: t18481218-name-113
Reference Number: t18481218-231
URL: http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?div=t18481218-231

Name: Mary Anne Andre
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 30 Oct 1831
Baptism Place: Westerleigh, Gloucester, England
Father: Pharion Andre
Mother: Mary Anne Andre
FHL Film Number: 1597121
Reference ID: p 135


ANDRE, MARY ANN 6
GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in KENSINGTON UNION Volume 03 Page 214

Interesting................20 years before the actual marriage

First name(s) Saint Phorien
Last name Andre
Banns year 1829
Banns date 01 Feb 1829
Marriage year -
Spouse's first name(s) Marianne
Spouse's last name Miles
Parish St Martin-In-The-Fields
County Middlesex
Country England
Archive
City of Westminster Archives Centre

Name: Mary Ann André
Gender: Female
Age: 48
Birth Date: 1802
Burial Date: 9 Sep 1850
Burial Place: Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
FHL Film Number: 1966297
Reference ID: p 167 cn 1704

1851


Elizabeth Andre Head Unmarried Female 21 1830 Milliner Kensington, Middlesex, England
Frederick Andre Brother - Male 16 1835 Power Broken Assistant Kensington, Middlesex, England
Emily Andre Sister - Female 14 1837 - Kensington, Middlesex, England
William Andri Brother - Male 10 1841 - Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
Joseph Andri Brother - Male 5 1846 - Hammersmith, Middlesex, England