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Is anyone able to look up parish records for a marr in St Marys, Portsea, Hants? Thomas Baker & Lucy Stovold - 22 July 1844. I would like to know who the witnesses were please. I have a print out from IGI but it doesn't give this info. I have also looked on opc, but this period is not transcribed yet. Thank you in advance.

Hi, I'm new to this - sorry if this message appears twice but my first attempt doesn't seem to have worked.
I am trying to find birth & marr of Thomas Baker. He was born 1813-1820 in either Mountsorrel or Syston, Leics (he kept changing his mind on the census). The first record I have of him is 1841 census when he was in Godalming Surrey. In 1851 he was in Elstead, Surrey with "wife" Lucy (Stovold). I have not been able to find their marriage, which would have given me his father's name. I have checked some parish birth records for Mountsorrel (no Bakers at all) & Syston (some Bakers but no Thomas).
Thanks in advance for any help you are able to give.

1851 as reference.

BAKER, Thomas Head Married M 31 1820 Wool Comber
Mountsorrel
Leicestershire VIEW
BAKER, Lucy Wife Married F 24 1827
Elstead
Surrey VIEW
BAKER, William Son M 6 1845 Scolar
Elstead
Surrey VIEW
BAKER, Lucy Daughter F 5 1846 Scolar
Elstead
Surrey VIEW
BAKER, Mary Ann Daughter F 3 1848 Scolar
Elstead
Surrey VIEW
BAKER, Ellen Daughter F 0 (7 MOS) 1851
Elstead
Surrey VIEW
RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1597 Folio:
34 Page:
3

Registration District:
Hambledon Sub District:
Witley Enumeration District:
2A Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Elstead Municipal Borough:
Address:
Church Lane, Elstead County:
Surrey

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Marriages Sep 1844

BAKER Thomas Portsea Isle 7 197

STOVOLD Lucy Portsea I 7 197

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LUCY STOVOLD --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: THOMAS BAKER
Marriage: 22 JUL 1844 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England

Marriages Sep 1844 (>99%)
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...............BAKER Thomas Portsea Isle 7 197
BUCKLE William Portsea 7 197
ELLIS Eleanor Sarah Portsea 7 197
GARNETT Charlotte Portsea Isle 7 197
McDERMOTT Elizabeth Ann Portsea I 7 197
RICE Joseph Portsea I 7 197
RICE Thomas Portsea I 7 197
...................STOVOLD Lucy Portsea I 7 197
STRIDE John Portsea I 7 197

LUCY STOVOLD --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 11 JUN 1826 Elstead, Surrey, England

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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM STOVOLD
Mother: SARAH

Hi Mike,
I have previously checked the Portsea Isle marr & it wasn't them, but thanks anyway.

Bit of a coincidence with a name like Stovold.
also the fact that their first child was born 1845

What info on that marriage cert led you to believe it was the wrong couple.?

The occupations were wrong for Thomas & Lucy's father. Also I believe I checked the next census (1851) & found this couple still in Portsea, whereas my Thomas & Lucy were in Elstead.

So is this your Lucy also in Godalming in 1841??

Person: STOVOLD, Lucy
Address: Catshall, Godalming, Catshall

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STOVOLD, Richd M 60 1781 Surrey VIEW
STOVOLD, Mary F 60 1781 Surrey VIEW
STOVOLD, Richd M 38 1803 Surrey VIEW
STOVOLD, James M 34 1807 Surrey VIEW
STOVOLD, Lucy F 26 1815 Surrey VIEW
STOVOLD, Mary F 24 1817 Surrey VIEW
STOVOLD, Joseph M 20 1821 Surrey VIEW
GILL, Maria F 55 1786 Surrey VIEW
BASS, Frances F 16 1825 Surrey VIEW
BENNET, James M 21 1820 Surrey VIEW
CHUTER, Charles M 16 1825 Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1073 Book/Folio:
4/24 Page:
40

Registration District:
Guildford Sub District:
Godalming Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Godalming Municipal Borough:
Address:
Catshall, Godalming, Catshall County:
Surrey



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Are you saying that both Thomas and Lucy had the CORRECT father's names but just different occupations ?

Were the couple's ages right ?

Also if you found a Thomas and Lucy Baker in Portsea in 1851 how do you know she was previously STOVOLD

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Have you got any of the children's birth certificates showing the mother as formerly STOVOLD ?


LUCY BAKER
Birth:
Christening: 19 APR 1846 Elstead, Surrey, England
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Parents:
Father: THOMAS BAKER
Mother: LUCY

children born to Thomas and Lucy ( no maiden name given)


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1. ELLEN BAKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 SEP 1850 Elstead, Surrey, England

2. LUCY BAKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 APR 1846 Elstead, Surrey, England

3. SAREH BAKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 MAR 1853 Elstead, Surrey, England

4. MARY ANN BAKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 DEC 1847 Elstead, Surrey, England

5. JOHN BAKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 AUG 1855 Elstead, Surrey, England

6. WILLIAM BAKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 MAR 1853 Elstead, Surrey, England

Mike,
I don't know what Thomas' father's name is. Lucy's father's name was correct. It said Lucy was of "full age" when in fact she was 18. I guess if they eloped they could have lied about all this. I take your point - I don't know that the Lucy in Portsea was previously a Stovold, although it seemed likely it was the couple who married there.

Ann,
No, this is not my Lucy Stovold - she was born in Elstead. I have all the info on her. It's Thomas Baker I need info on going back to birth & is parents. Thanks anyway.

Mike,
I don't have children's birth certs, only looked in parish records for baptisms. Don't think it gave maiden name. One interesting fact - their eldest wasn't baptised until they moved to Farncombe , Surrey (aged 8). Might indicate local vicar wouldn't baptise if parents were unmarried.

Did you atually purchase the marriage cert, it does seem odd that the marriage 1844........baker/stovold is not them, the reason I ask is that there is no other couple Thomas/Lucy on the 1851 census in any county apart from 1 couple aged 20 and 21.

Ann

Mike,
I've given you some duff info there - eldest son was bapt in Elstead, but still when aged 8 - same day as 5th child. Wonder why No's 2,3 & 4 were bapt before him?

Staying on your train of thought and taking into account that census ages seem to be -1 in a lot of cases.........The vicar in Elstead would not marry a pregnant woman.............or as you say they deided to make a break for it because of the pregnancy.

Full age only tells us they were over 21(most cases not true) this was not a factor in Law as the Legal age for a female was 12years!

Annx

If your theory is right that they were not married, then the children would be registered in mother's name.

Wonder if this is one of them ?
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Births Mar 1848
STOVOLD Mary Ann - Farnham 4 167

EDIT :... although Elstead and Godalming would actually come under Guildford registration district.

Try searching freebmd
LINK
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Ann
I checked parish records so could view certificate. I thought I checked a later census & found them, but I will have to go over my stuff again. It's been some time since I worked on this tree. The occupations given on cert were shipwrights & sailmakers, which fits with Portsea area but not with them, unless they lied.