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Sorry, have attached new request to this thread now.

I will check cert again. Thanks to Ann & Mike for all your help. I'm signing off now. Will check in again tomorrow, in case any one has any more inspirations.

It may be well worth going back to the marriage cert, the witnesses may be invaluable..........

Annx

This is more likely to be Mary Ann


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Births Dec 1846
BAKER Mary Ann - Guildford 4 199

Ann,
Yes, it may have been 1861 that I found that couple. Unfortunately I didn't make a note of witnesses to the marr. This was the first tree I worked on & didn't realise this might be useful info.

Mike,
I don't think Farnham birth is theirs.
They had 2 more sons in Farncombe -
Thomas 1859
George - 1862

Right I understand now.....did you find them in the 1861?

Who were the witnesess there may be a clue there?

I know what it is like when you come back to a section of your tree you have not worked on for some time.........the old brain plays up! lol

Ann

Ann
I checked parish records so could view certificate. I thought I checked a later census & found them, but I will have to go over my stuff again. It's been some time since I worked on this tree. The occupations given on cert were shipwrights & sailmakers, which fits with Portsea area but not with them, unless they lied.

If your theory is right that they were not married, then the children would be registered in mother's name.

Wonder if this is one of them ?
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Births Mar 1848
STOVOLD Mary Ann - Farnham 4 167

EDIT :... although Elstead and Godalming would actually come under Guildford registration district.

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Staying on your train of thought and taking into account that census ages seem to be -1 in a lot of cases.........The vicar in Elstead would not marry a pregnant woman.............or as you say they deided to make a break for it because of the pregnancy.

Full age only tells us they were over 21(most cases not true) this was not a factor in Law as the Legal age for a female was 12years!

Annx

Mike,
I've given you some duff info there - eldest son was bapt in Elstead, but still when aged 8 - same day as 5th child. Wonder why No's 2,3 & 4 were bapt before him?

Did you atually purchase the marriage cert, it does seem odd that the marriage 1844........baker/stovold is not them, the reason I ask is that there is no other couple Thomas/Lucy on the 1851 census in any county apart from 1 couple aged 20 and 21.

Ann

Mike,
I don't have children's birth certs, only looked in parish records for baptisms. Don't think it gave maiden name. One interesting fact - their eldest wasn't baptised until they moved to Farncombe , Surrey (aged 8). Might indicate local vicar wouldn't baptise if parents were unmarried.

Ann,
No, this is not my Lucy Stovold - she was born in Elstead. I have all the info on her. It's Thomas Baker I need info on going back to birth & is parents. Thanks anyway.

Mike,
I don't know what Thomas' father's name is. Lucy's father's name was correct. It said Lucy was of "full age" when in fact she was 18. I guess if they eloped they could have lied about all this. I take your point - I don't know that the Lucy in Portsea was previously a Stovold, although it seemed likely it was the couple who married there.

children born to Thomas and Lucy ( no maiden name given)


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1. ELLEN BAKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 SEP 1850 Elstead, Surrey, England

2. LUCY BAKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 APR 1846 Elstead, Surrey, England

3. SAREH BAKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 MAR 1853 Elstead, Surrey, England

4. MARY ANN BAKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 DEC 1847 Elstead, Surrey, England

5. JOHN BAKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 AUG 1855 Elstead, Surrey, England

6. WILLIAM BAKER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 MAR 1853 Elstead, Surrey, England

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Have you got any of the children's birth certificates showing the mother as formerly STOVOLD ?


LUCY BAKER
Birth:
Christening: 19 APR 1846 Elstead, Surrey, England
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Parents:
Father: THOMAS BAKER
Mother: LUCY

Are you saying that both Thomas and Lucy had the CORRECT father's names but just different occupations ?

Were the couple's ages right ?

Also if you found a Thomas and Lucy Baker in Portsea in 1851 how do you know she was previously STOVOLD

So is this your Lucy also in Godalming in 1841??

Person: STOVOLD, Lucy
Address: Catshall, Godalming, Catshall

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STOVOLD, Richd M 60 1781 Surrey VIEW
STOVOLD, Mary F 60 1781 Surrey VIEW
STOVOLD, Richd M 38 1803 Surrey VIEW
STOVOLD, James M 34 1807 Surrey VIEW
STOVOLD, Lucy F 26 1815 Surrey VIEW
STOVOLD, Mary F 24 1817 Surrey VIEW
STOVOLD, Joseph M 20 1821 Surrey VIEW
GILL, Maria F 55 1786 Surrey VIEW
BASS, Frances F 16 1825 Surrey VIEW
BENNET, James M 21 1820 Surrey VIEW
CHUTER, Charles M 16 1825 Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1073 Book/Folio:
4/24 Page:
40

Registration District:
Guildford Sub District:
Godalming Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Godalming Municipal Borough:
Address:
Catshall, Godalming, Catshall County:
Surrey



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The occupations were wrong for Thomas & Lucy's father. Also I believe I checked the next census (1851) & found this couple still in Portsea, whereas my Thomas & Lucy were in Elstead.