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trying to find Louisa brown on the 1861 + 1871 census. According to the 1891 census she was born Lambeth 1852, the 1901 census Camberwell.

She married 1874 Lambeth to William Forster. Her father was James Brown, occupation Compositor (printer)

Louisa Brown
Spouse Name: William Forster
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Jun 1874
Parish: Saint John The Evangelist, Brixton
County: Middlesex
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: James Brown

But I am struggling to find her as a child.

Her sons baptism record gives me her middle name as Elizabeth

William Ernest Forster
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 5 Sep 1875
Father's Name: William Walter Forster
Mother's Name: Louisa Elizabeth Forster
Parish: Saint Saviour
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex


here she is in 1891

Louisa Forster
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road First
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Forster 41
Louisa Forster 39
Wm Ernest Forster 15
Herbert George Forster 11
Arthur John Forster 10
Fredk James Forster 7

here in 1901

Louisa Forster
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell, London, England

Civil parish: Southwark Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Christchurch, Southwark
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 427
Household Members:
Name Age
William Forster 50
Louisa Forster 49
Frederick J Forster 72
Edith L Forster 7


I havent found her in 1881 either! Can anyone help me find her in 1861, 1871, 1881? thank you

Is this her in 1881?


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FOSTER, William Head Married M 31 1850 Carpenter
Attebor
Norfolk
FOSTER, Louisa Wife Married F 30 1851 Carpenters Wife
Camberwell
Surrey
FOSTER, William E Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Christch
Surrey
FOSTER, Herbert G Son Single M 1 1880
Christch
Surrey
FOSTER, Arthur J Son Single M 0 1881
Christch
Surrey

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
516 Folio:
22 Page:
37

Registration District:
St Saviour Southwark Sub District:
Christchurch Southwark EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Christchurch Southwark Municipal Borough:
Address:
3, Isabella St, Christchurch Southwark County:
Surrey

Do you think this might be her?

Births Dec 1850
Brown Louisa Elizabeth Hannah Bermondsey 4 11

Closest Louisa Elizabeth Brown in the index.

If the father's name/occupation matched the marriage certificate, it would give you her mother's name and maybe a better chance of finding her in earlier censuses (esp. if the mother was widowed early, e.g., or perhaps remarried).


Hmm, this looks like that Louisa in 1851 in Bermondsey:

John Brown 24 - guard, Brighton railway
Louisa Brown 25
John Brown 2
Louisa Eh Brown 6 Mo
Sarah Lee Derham 11

thanks Sue, thats her in 1881 !!!.......not sure if thats her Janey - her father is definately James Brown

Stephen - when you say "her father is definitely James Brown", you mean her marriage certificate definitely says her father was James Brown?

My gr-grfather's marriage certificate says his father was Francis Monck ... who never existed.

Father's names/occupations on marriage certificates can be many things. Given name of father, surname of mother, where parents weren't married but child knew father's name; maternal grandfather, in same situation. Stepfather's given name, father's surname; father's name, stepfather's occupation ... infinite possibilities.


Who were the witnesses to the marriage?

I am still struggling to find Louisa's birth or her on 1861 and 1871 census........at her time of marriage in 1874 she was living in Coldharbour Lane (road Camberwell to Brixton).................and new ideas anyone?
So, as later census states she was born Camberwell, she obviously didnt move far.......so why am I struggling to find her on census 1871 and before!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1901 census - household transcription
Person: FORSTER, Louisa
Address: 10, Short Street, Christchurch Southwark

FORSTER, William Head Married M 50 1851 Carpenter
Norfolk VIEW
FORSTER, Louisa Wife Married F 49 1852
Camberwell
London VIEW
FORSTER, Frederick J Son Single M 10 1891
Lambeth
London VIEW
FORSTER, Edith L Daughter Single F 7 1894
Lambeth
London

maybe


1911 census - household transcription
Person: FOSTER, William
Address: 51 Brunswick St S E

FOSTER, William Head Widower M 60 1851 Carpenter Attlebury Norfolk VIEW
FOSTER, Elsie Daughter Single F 17 1894 Chocolet Packer London VIEW
BRATT, Emily Visitor Single F 18 1893 Chocolet Packer London VIEW
HANDS, Carchire Visitor Single F 24 1887 Chocolet Packer London

1891 census - household transcription
Person: FORSTER, William
Address: 10, Short Street, Lambeth

FORSTER, William Head Married M 41 1850 Carpenter
Attleborough
Norfolk VIEW
FORSTER, Louisa Wife Married F 39 1852
Lambeth
London VIEW
FORSTER, Wm Ernest Son Single M 15 1876 Printer
Lambeth
London VIEW
FORSTER, Herbert George Son Single M 11 1880 Scholar
Lambeth
London VIEW
FORSTER, Arthur John Son Single M 10 1881 Scholar
Lambeth
London VIEW
FORSTER, Fredk James Son Single M 0 (7M) 1891
Lambeth
London

thank you for trying to help ladykira.......looks like Louisa died in 1906........thats definately her husband.

Cant believe how hard it is trying to find her in 1861/1871.........

Father is James
Occupations may change

1851 census - household transcription
Person: BROWN, Louise
Address: 5, Barrington Court, Lambeth Surrey, Lambeth
BROWN, James Head Married M 44 1807 Brewers Collector
Erpingham
Norfolk VIEW
BROWN, Caroline Wife Married F 32 1819
St George
Middlesex VIEW
BROWN, Thomas Chas Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Scholar
Sydenham
Kent VIEW
BROWN, Edmund Son Unmarried M 5 1846
Sydenham
Kent VIEW
BROWN, Louise Daughter Unmarried F 3 1848
Camberwell
Surrey VIEW
BROWN, William G Son Unmarried M 0 (3 MOS) 1851
Brixton
Surrey

If the 1851 is right this could be her in 1871


1871 census - household transcription
Person: BROWN, Louise
Address: Kent Terrace Kent House Road, Lewisham
BROWN, Caroline Head F 58 1813 Middlesex VIEW
BROWN, Louise Daughter F 23 1848 Surrey

thanks, that is a possibility!..........my only concern is James's profession and the fact that she is Louise on both census not Louisa.............when she married he was a compositor (printer)..........this is soooo hard!...........plus most of the later census have Louisa being born later than 1848, nearer 1852, 1853......I will have a closer look!

Having found this family in 1861, James is still a retailer of beer......but i suppose you could go from retailer to printer. on the plus side she is under the name Louisa on this census

HI AGAIN
UNFORTUNATELY IT APPEARS NOT TO BE CAROLINE AND JAMES BROWN.
I HAVE MANAGED TO TRACE CAROLINE IN 1881 AND SHE IS STILL LIVING WITH LOUISE BROWN. SO THIS RULES OUT BEING MY FAMILY LINK AS MY LOUISA MARRIED IN 1874 AND WE HAVE FOUND HER UNDER HER MARRIED SURNAME OF FORSTER IN 1881

ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS FOLKS.....JUST WHEN I THOUGHT WE WERE NEARLY THERE!!!!

(the above was me deleting rather than editing)


You have the marriage certificate?
It seems so, since you have her address at marriage.
Who were the witnesses?


Please don't type in all capitals.

Could this be Louisa in 1871........the mother Sarah is a widow plus it seems that she has a brother James (named after the father maybe)????? Her full name and age agree.....

Louisa E Brown
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Bromley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Bromley
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Bromley
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 123
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Brown 48
Louisa E Brown 17
William H Brown 11
James Brown 9


my only problem is that I am now trying to find this Sarah (hopefully mariied to a James in 1861) but I am struggling with finding them in 1861

The 1881 is searchable by address; searching for Brown, address Coldharbour (Louisa's address when she married):

Name: Elizabeth Brown
Age: 76
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Relation: Sister
Where born: Nennham, Gloucestershire, England

Condition as to marriage: Widower

Civil parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Street Address: 138 Coldharbour Lane

Ann Todd 66
Elizabeth Brown 76
Sarah J. Francis 18 (servant)

Name: Ann Todd
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Where born: Nennham, Gloucestershire, England


Possibly coincidence, possibly useful. Does the marriage certificate have a house number on Coldharbour Lane?


That household in 1871 -- address 19 Burton Rd, Lambeth.

Ann Todd 56
Elizabeth Brown 66
Elizabeth H Morse 20 - niece
Ann Brown 35 - niece
Eliza S E Chappell 50 (servant)


In 1861 they're in Camberwell (kind of mirrors Louisa's birthplace):

William Todd 70
Ann Todd 46
Elizabeth Brown 56
Elizabeth Brown 27
Helen Brown 17
Elizath Henla Morse 10
Sarah Smith 24
James Nash 52


Just to complete the set, in 1851 they're in Herefordshire:

Thomas Brown 35
Elizabeth Brown 46
William Henry Brown 19
Ann Brown 15
Caroline Brown 13
Matilda Brown 11
Maria Brown 9
Helen Brown 7
John Morse 14
Georgianna Heard 39


Could be related, but not immediate family, it seems.

I am really struggling to read the writing of the witnesses.......maybe Jemima Baker and George Thomas ?????.........it is on ancestry records if anyone can read it!!!

No number on cert. just says cold harbour lane

Still think I am onto something with the 1871 census - mother sarah

Still trying to trace the address ...

In 1871 it seems to have been called Chichester Terrace. Two of the families who were neighbours on Coldharbour Lane in 1881 (William Banning/Bauning 148, Henry Lander 146) are in the same position on Chichester Terrace(16, 17) in 1871. Oh, and also David Hawkins (142, 19).

This is a very stable and very prosperous bunch of neighbours, btw. Commercial clerk, Landscape artist/Barrister's clerk, etc.

I can't imagine there being a different Coldharbour Lane in the same area.

Hmm, this is your 1871 household in 1861 in Beckenham, Kent -- birthplaces match:

Wm Brown 44 - Labourer
Sarah Brown 38 - born Chingford, Essex
Robt Brown 15
Jessie Brown 5
N H Brown 1 - W H, undoubtedly (image is unclear) -- William H in 1871, born Beckenham
Emma Lowe 7 - niece

No Louisa, but a Jessie??