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I'm really confused here?
My fathers Name was Frederick Cecil Brown born 17th Nov 1925 after doing a search I found what I thought was him and his mothers maiden name to be Halsall but the place of birth was in wigan.

Now at the time of my fathers Birth my nan & grandad were living in Liverpool, I found this from details on the web about my grandad when I discovered his address in 1942 when he was killed on board S.S..Ceramic, Now when my Nan died in December 1962 it listed her address as the same one as in 1942 and this was in Liverpool at the same address.

Now I have searched and crossed searched for Benjamin Brown and Florence (maiden name unknown) I'm sure its not Halsall maybe I'm wrong. But I cross searched for their marriage between 1916 (made them both around 18 years old) to 1942 (when my father was born) but I'm unable to trace Brown and Halsall together.

I have spent hours and hours searching and re-searching and I'm about to give it all up before my brain fry's lol, so one last shout for help from anyone who may be able to see where if I am going wrong and maybe point me in the right direction.
Thanks to everyone who has helped me Just recently.

Hi

Well you've just confused me too ;-)))))

You say your father Frederick Cecil Brown born 17 Nov 1925 and then further down you say you've searched for marriages for his parents up to 1942 **(when my father was born)**

Mary

Hi Jeff,

You say your father was born in 1925 but later you say he was born 1942.

Which year was it?

Christine

Sorry he was born in 1925, My grandfather died in 1942, see how confused I am lol

I've even searched the FreeBMD for my nan who died on the 13th Dec 1962 and its not listed on there, I'm really trying to find her maden name.

Sorry for the confusion.

FreeBMD doesnt have death records of 1962 they will be on Ancestry that have to be looked up on a yearly basis,
What was nans christian name ? Im sure we can find her death BUT I dont think in the 1960,s the maiden name was recorded on death certs.
Did you dad have any siblings, maybe looking for their births will give a clue to your dads cert record

Did your father have brothers called Arthur and John?

Mary

That explains why I can't trace them on FreeBDM (thank you) my nans name was Florence and your right the death certificate does not contain her maden name because I recieved this in the post today from my step-mother.

Siblings I'm only guessing at his brothers name as John but his sisters name was Audrey.

I have my fathers war medals here and a couple of merchant navy ones and my grandfather was in the merchant navy, I searched and paid for a copy of Browns and I hit a double whammy as my father and grandfathers names were on the same sheet and told me how many medals the both recieved (well my family recieved on behalf of my grand father)

Marriages Sep 1921 (>99%)
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Brown Benjamin Quayle W.Derby 8b 1262


Quayle ring any bells?

Just an observation!! they may have been living in Liverpool in 1942 and stiil there in 1962 but that doesnt neccesarily mean thats where they were living in 1925 .

John Possibly but Arthur I never heard that name ever mentioned. but most certainly a sister called audrey

Births Dec 1925 (>99%)
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Brown Benjamin C Quayle Liverpool 8b 399

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Births Jun 1928 (>99%)
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Brown Arthur W Quayle Liverpool 8b 404

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Births Dec 1929 (>99%)
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Brown John G Quayle Liverpool 8b 126

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Births Jun 1931 (>99%)
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Brown Audrey Quayle Liverpool 8b 446 <<<<<<

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Births Mar 1932 (91%)
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Brown Edna M Quayle W.Derby 8b 813

this could be them
Name: Florence Quayle
Spouse Surname: Brown
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1921
Registration district: West Derby
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 1262

Name: Benjamin Brown
Spouse Surname: Quayle
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1921
Registration district: West Derby
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 1262


EDIT: sorry Minnie i didnt refresh the page

That's the same one I found Minnie - that's why I was asking about the brothers names ;-)))

Mary

Edit: I wondered when I saw it if Frederick was really Benjamin :-)

Marriages Sep 1921 (>99%)
Brown Benjamin Quayle W.Derby 8b 1262

Quayle Florence Brown W.Derby 8b 1262

The death is registered as Florence Brown, Liverpool S Q4 1962

Christine

Quayle rings no bells, I really have no clue to my nans maiden name.

good observation Shirley once I find my nans maiden name then I can trace their marriage because my grandad was born in Sydney so it gets worse lol

If sems a bit silly to ask this but i'll ask anyway...
Could your father have been benjamin after his father, not frederick?

I wonder if your father was registered as Benjamin but then went by Frederick as his father was Benjamin.

Christine

WoW that certainly adds up and makes them around 21 ish when they married they were both born in the same year 1898 I remember meeting my nan only the once way way back in the 60's and I was only knee high so as far as I was concerned her name was Nan lol

Do you ladies recon that Quale could be her maiden name then???
and if so why has it taken you ladies minutes to find it and I've spent days looking for it lol

If you ladies recon it could be Quale then thank you so so much for all your help

His name was frederick Cecil but I did find out he lied about his name and age to Join the army during the war.
He went into the army as Cecil Brown and made himself a year older than he was

If that is the correct marriage then this Florrie Quayle fits in with her age at death.


1901 England Census
about Florrie Quayle
Name: Florrie Quayle
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: West Derby St Nathaniel Windsor
County/Island: Lancashire


Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 73
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 150
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Quayle 48
Mary Quayle 36
Annie J Quayle 8
Florrie Quayle 3
Lillian Quayle 4 months

Christine