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Lorna
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10 Aug 2008 23:46 |
Hi, I've hit a brick wall with this one. The family story goes that my gt gt grandmother Anna Abulia Burdon was orphaned along with her sister nellie after her father william was hanged for the murder of her mother. She was brought up in the green man pub in eversholt, then married a dewberry. Her marriage certificate says she was from Houghton Regis in Beds but there is no trace of this.
Please help!
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Sam
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10 Aug 2008 23:53 |
A marriage certficiate only says where someone was living at the time of the marriage, it doesn't mean they were born there. When was she born and what was her mothers name?
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10 Aug 2008 23:56 |
I take it that this is her marriage...
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1898 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Burdon Anna Abulia Woburn 3b 871 Dewberry Benjamin Woburn 3b 871
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10 Aug 2008 23:58 |
If you know the approximate date of the murder, you should be able to trace the death certs. which may give more information - the local library may have a newspaper archive. Liz
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GlitterBaby
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10 Aug 2008 23:58 |
1901 ??
Name: Anna Dewberry Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Benjamin Gender: Female Where born: Bosham Loa, Bedfordshire, England Civil Parish: Eversholt Ecclesiastical parish: Eversholt St John the Baptist Town: Eversholt County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Ampthill Sub registration district: Woburn ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 137 Household Members: Name Age Anna Dewberry 25 Benjamin Dewberry 23 Florence E Dewberry 2 Idrena M Dewberry 1
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Ozibird
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11 Aug 2008 00:31 |
Why do you have all those surnames in your title? Where do they fit in?
Ozi.
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Lorna
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11 Aug 2008 11:38 |
A message that I have been emailed.
If you have Anna's marriage certificate, what was her father's name?? (If you don't have the certificate, the info for ordering it has been provided in your thread. She may not have given her (real) father's name when she married but it's worth checking.)
If you could copy and paste the info below to your thread, it would provide some more info that could be useful.
This is the household at the Green Man pub in Eversholt in 1881 -- is it possible that the Annie is your Anna?
Name: Annie N. Harris Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Emily Gender: Female Where born: London Minorie, London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Eversholt County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England
Street address: Church End Green Man Inn Occupation: L V Daur (licensed victualler's daughter)
Registration district: Woburn Sub registration district: Woburn ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Ann E. Dyson 59 Annie N. Harris 5 Emily Harris 37 John Harris 44 Mary E. Harris 16
Ah, rats -- that household has returned to London in 1891.
So I searched in 1891 for neighbours of the Green Man who were living there in 1881, and found the Ford household, still living next door to the pub. That gave me the link to the household at the put, once I looked at the census image to see who was there.
The household at the pub in 1891 is:
Name: William Willis Stubbs Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Adelina Hannah Gender: Male Where born: All Saints, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: Eversholt Ecclesiastical parish: Eversholt Town: Eversholt County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England
Registration district: Woburn Sub registration district: Woburn ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Annie Maria Collins 17 Adelina Hannah Stubbs 31 Gwendoline H M Stubbs 10/12 William Willis Stubbs 27
This is the young general servant (domestic):
Name: Annie Maria Collins Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Woburn Sands, Bedfordshire, England
This doesn't seem to help much, but it does show who was living at the Green Man in 1881 and 1891, for what that might be worth!
Ah, but wait. The Fords have done us the great favour of still being there in 1901. And in 1901, the household at the Green Man Inn is:
Name: Arthur Wm Shillingford Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Gender: Male Where born: St James Soho, London, England
Civil Parish: Eversholt Ecclesiastical parish: Eversholt St John the Baptist Town: Eversholt County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England
Registration district: Ampthill Sub registration district: Woburn ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 52
Arthur Wm Shillingford 34 Ethel Maude Shillingford 1 Mary Ann Shillingford 31
Again -- no trace of your Anna or Nellie (Ellen?).
What you would need to do is find each of those households in the other years maybe, to see whether your girls were with one of them at a time when the household wasn't living in the pub.
Kathryn
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Lorna
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11 Aug 2008 11:50 |
Wow, thanks for all of your interest! To answer a few questions, on her marriage certificate it says that her father is William Burdon, of Houghton Regis who is deceased. That was in 18 Apr 1898 in Eversholt.
Glitter baby and sam from stoke have the records that match with mine, but I have no trace of her life before this, including her mother's name. Her younger sister was a spinster and only known as nellie by family who are still alive. I have no trace in records of her either but i think she died in Eversholt.
The names that I have in the title are all names which familiy members believed to be her sunames!
I have no dates for the murder other than it was between Nellie's birth and Anna's wedding.
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Ozibird
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11 Aug 2008 21:28 |
I have a feeling this is Annie Maria Collins from 1891.
1901 England Census Name: Annie Maria Collins Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: James Gender: Female Where born: Aspley Guise, Bedfordshire, England Civil Parish: Wavendon Ecclesiastical parish: Woburn Sands St Michael <<<<< County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address: Wood Street
Occupation: laundress
Registration district: Newport Pagnell Sub registration district: Fenny Stratford ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 255 Household Members: Name Age James Collins 66 Annie Maria Collins 27
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Ozibird
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11 Aug 2008 22:03 |
Looking at 1901 for Ben & Annie I'm sure that Annie is born Botisham [Loe??}, not Bosham.
There is this:
1881 England Census Name: Hannah Button Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Naomi Gender: Female Where born: Botisham, Cambridgeshire, England Civil Parish: Whepstead County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Street address: Old Workhouse
Registration district: Thingoe Sub registration district: Rougham ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William Button 29 <<<< Naomi Button 25 Hannah Button 8 <<<< Elen Button 5 <<<< George Button 1 Kate Button And Button is one of your questionmark surnames.
Deaths Jun 1881 Button Naomi 25 Thingoe 4a 324
Marriages Sep 1872 AYRER Naomi Newmarket 3b 909 AYRES Naomi Newmarket 3b 909 BUTTON William Newmarket 3b 909 Cornwell David Newmarket 3b 909 Peers Sarah Newmarket 3b 909
Births Dec 1855 Ayres Naomi Newmarket 3b 468
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Ozibird
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11 Aug 2008 22:37 |
Aha! This has got to be Bosham Loa
"LODE, formerly Bottisham Lode (which includes Long-meadow and Fen), was separated from Bottisham by an Order of the Local Government Board, in November, 1894, and formed into a civil parish. It is a village on the Cambridge and Newmarket road, .......... and is 6 miles east from Cambridge ....
from Genuki website
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Selena in South East London
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11 Aug 2008 22:48 |
Can I just ask, where does the name Oakley come into it?
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Ozibird
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11 Aug 2008 22:58 |
Could this be Anna Abulia?
Births Mar 1873 Burtton Hannah Beulah Newmarket 3b 594
& Nellie?
Births Mar 1876 Burtton Ellen Maud Newmarket 3b 572
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Selena in South East London
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11 Aug 2008 23:03 |
Ozibird - what a find! Well done.
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Selena in South East London
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11 Aug 2008 23:06 |
Sister? Nellie is short for Ellen.
Births Mar 1876 Burtton Ellen Maud Newmarket 3b 572
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Irene
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11 Aug 2008 23:08 |
who were the witnesses at the wedding please. Irene
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Ozibird
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11 Aug 2008 23:10 |
Deaths Jun 1881 Button Kate 0 Thingoe 4a 323 Button Naomi 25 Thingoe 4a 324
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Selena in South East London
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11 Aug 2008 23:13 |
Wonder what happened to George?
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Lorna
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11 Aug 2008 23:26 |
Bottisham's nearest registry point for BMD would be newmarket.
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Ozibird
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12 Aug 2008 00:20 |
I can't find George anywhere.
I've tried George under Burdon, Burtton, Burton & Button for birth & death & census with no luck.
1881 has him born in Whepstead.
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