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can anyone help me Im trying to find information on my grandad
Arnold butterworth 1901 Born in Rochdale Lancs
His Father according to my grandma`s marriage cert was a piano forte tuner He had 2 sisters one called Alice and one called Beatrice (i think) both older than him Father`s name is Thomas Spencer Butterworth
Any help would be appreciated
Allan
Thanks too all of you who have unscambled the Mystery of Arnold for me It was appreciated as it was doing my head in trying too sort this out being new to this computer lark
Thanks too you all
Allan

Birth index. A certificate would give you parents names including mothers maiden name, which would help in finding their marriage and them on 1901 census
Arnold Butterworth
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Rochdale
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 36

If you're looking for his ancestors, you are probably going to have to start by buying his birth certificate.

Your basic tool is FreeBMD.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

Eek, two Arnold Butterworth-s born in Rochdale, one in 1900, one in 1901. If you are certain of his birthdate, you can order the 1901 one, with the information there.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

You will want to do the search at FreeBMD to get the information Janice gave -- to view the image and be sure the information was correctly transcribed, before ordering the certificate.

Next to try is the 1911 census.

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

Unfortunately, only two Arnold Butterworth-s born 1901 +/- 3 years appear.

The first seems to be the one born 1900 in Rochdale, and the other the one born 1900 in Halifax.

It also gives no results on a search for a Beatrice Butterworth living in a household with an Alice Butterworth. ?

Also can't find a Butterworth household in Rochdale in 1901 with both an Alice and a Beatrice.

If you gave us his father's name (rather than just occupation) from the marriage certificate, it could help.

Allan,

If you have a marriage cert, what was the fathers name? Sorry Evie! did not notice your post

Ann

Allan sent me a pm .
Fathers name Thomas Spencer Butterworth
Possible marriage then from ANCESTRY SITE
Name: Thomas Spencer Butterworth
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1863
Age: 25
Father's Name: William Butterworth
Spouse's Name: Mary Bailey
Spouse's Age: 19
Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Bailey
Marriage Date: 2 Feb 1888
Marriage Place: Marsden, Lancashire, England
Birth cert. is needed to confirm mmn

1891

Name: Thomas S Butterworth
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Great Marsden
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
Town: Nelson
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Burnley
Sub registration district: Colne
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas S Butterworth 28 Teacher of piano forte
Mary Butterworth 22
Carl S Butterworth 1
Maud Butterworth 2
Hetty Bailey 19

Well done 'that man' Richard !!!

Dea x

1901

Name: Thomas S Butterworth
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Rochdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Chad
Town: Rochdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Castleton Nearer
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas S Butterworth 37 clerk manfacturing chemist
Mary Butterworth 31
Maud Butterworth 12
Carl S Butterworth 11
Doris Butterworth 8
Bernard Butterworth 2
Minnie Young 18

So much for Alice and Beatrice, then.

Allan -- please always reply *in the thread* by clicking the purple Reply button at the top of the thread. A box will open for typing your message. Yes, it's a horrible system.

If we are on 'St Chad's' then we are 'on a roll' !!

Come back with some more info Allan - please !!

Dea x

In the 1911 -- Carl had the (hopefully) unique name, so I searched for him first.

BUTTERWORTH CARL SPENCER M 1890 21 Rochdale Lancashire

In the household with him are:


BUTTERWORTH BERNARD BAILEY M 1899 12 Rochdale Lancashire
BUTTERWORTH DORIS F 1894 17 Rochdale Lancashire
BUTTERWORTH EUNICE ANNIE F 1895 16 Rochdale Lancashire
BUTTERWORTH MARY F 1869 42 Rochdale Lancashire

No Arnold!

BUTTERWORTH THOMAS S M 1864 47 Rochdale Lancashire

but apparently in a different household, with no other Butterworths.

Doesn't look like he is with this family in 1911
Searching Carl/Rochdale(not opened the page to confirm any other details)
BUTTERWORTH CARL SPENCER M 1890 21 Rochdale Lancashire

BUTTERWORTH BERNARD BAILEY M 1899 12 Rochdale Lancashire
BUTTERWORTH DORIS F 1894 17 Rochdale Lancashire
BUTTERWORTH EUNICE ANNIE F 1895 16 Rochdale Lancashire
BUTTERWORTH MARY F 1869 42 Rochdale Lancashire

edit SNAP!

That was me deleting a mistake -- I'd looked for Butterworth-s living with THOMAS S, but the ones it gave me were in Oldham.

This person is shown as living with THOMAS S BUTTERWORTH:

ASHWORTH ARNOLD B M 1903 8 Rochdale Lancashire

along with

ASHWORTH ALICE MARY F 1901 10 Rochdale Lancashire
ASHWORTH MARION B F 1908 3 Rochdale Lancashire
ASHWORTH RACHEL F 1878 33 Rochdale Lancashire
ASHWORTH REBE B F 1906 5 Rochdale Lancashire


It's looking rather like Thomas left Mary shortly after the 1901, possibly as a result of the birth of Arnold.

The "B" in the three names likely stands for Butterworth -- it was common for the father's surname to be the middle name of children of unmarried mothers.

It would seem to be very worth paying to have a look at the household.

So I'm thinking:


Births Dec 1902
ASHWORTH Arnold Butterworth Rochdale 8e 27

Possible then ??

There was 1 match for this search!

Baptisms: 21 Dec 1902 St Nicholas, Newchurch in Rossendale, Lancashire, England
Arnold Ashworth - Child of Albert Ashworth & Mary Jane
Born: 03 Nov 1902
Abode: 8 High Town Newchurch
Occupation: Warehouseman
Baptised by: Wm S Dixon
Register: Baptisms 1891 - 1934, Page 110, Entry 882
Source: Original Parish Registers

There was 1 match for this search!

Dea x

I don't know the geography, Dea -- but would that baptism more likely be this birth?

Births Dec 1902
ASHWORTH Arnold Haslingden 8e 95


Our Arnold's father was Thomas Butterworth, per his marriage certificate, and that matches with the Arnold Butterworth Ashworth birth and 1911 census.

His parents weren't married, but cohabited, and he went by the surname Butterworth, is how it seems.