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Looking For Any Carters Who Think They Might Be Related.Robert (Charles), Winifred, Frederick & Ralph. Their Father Was Joseph, Married To Sarah Anne Cooper. Lived In Meriden In The West Midlands.

Just for info and to give some idea of dates as none shown


Marriages Mar 1912 (>99%)
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Carter Joseph Cooper Meriden 6d 443
Cooper Sarah A Carter Meriden 6d 443
Ravenhall Ada A Woodhouse Meriden 6d 443
Woodhouse Charles E Ravenhall Meriden 6d 443




Not a match to my Carter family as wrong area

I Have The Marriage Certicate and death certs for Both Joseph And Sarah. What I really Need Is His Birth Cert, But I dont Where He Was From. We Think He was Born In London. He Was A Foster Child to Charles & Clara Keatley. This Shows On The 1901 Census

1901 England Census
about Charles Keatley
Name: Charles Keatley
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Clara I
Gender: Male
Where born: Meriden, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Meriden
Ecclesiastical parish: Meriden
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Meriden
Sub-registration district: Meriden
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Keatley 64
Clara I Keatley 51
Joseph Carter 9 born London

Got That MadMeg, Can You Help Any More? i seem to be stuck now.

1911
KEATLEY, Charles Head Married M 75 1836 Bootmaker And Repaired Morsden Warwickshire VIEW
KEATLEY, Charm Jane Wife Married
49 years F 68 1843 Kingsbury Warwichshire VIEW
CARTER, Joseph Lodger Single M 19 1892 Learning Engineering In Cycle Trade London VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18412 Reference:
RG14PN18412 RG78PN1106 RD386 SD2 ED11 SN34

Registration District:
Meriden Sub District:
Meriden EnumerationDistrict:
11 Parish:
Meriden

Address:
Meriden Coventry County:
Warwickshire

OK, posted it to save others searching - as I know they will.

Are you now looking for descendants of the four children (presumably one of them is you, so you know about yourself - which one is it?).

I Am The Grandson Of Robert. Only Today I Have Found Out His Real Name Was Charles (that took some searching) I Know all about the descendents of the others. I`m trying to go back if i can.

Does the marriage cert not give a father?

No. It Just Says Not Known

There are a lot of possible Joseph Carters born in London.

If you have his father, let us know. Otherwise the next thing is to find out why he was in Meriden with the Keatleys, and hope they were related in some way.

1891 England Census
about Charles Keutley
Name: Charles Keutley
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Clara J
Father's Name: Charles
Gender: Male
Where born: Meriden, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Meriden
Ecclesiastical parish: Meriden
Town: Meriden
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Meriden
Sub-registration district: Meriden
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Keutley 54 Boot and Shoe Maker (as in 1901)
Clara J Keutley 48
Charles Keutley 79 Father

1861 England Census
about Charles Keetley
Name: Charles Keetley
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Katherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Meriden, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Meriden
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Meriden
Sub-registration district: Meriden
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 86
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Keetley 49
Katherine Keetley 49
Charles Keetley 25
Emily F Turner 3 Granddaughter.

Two possible deaths, could have been witnessed by Joseph:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915

PreviewName: Charles Keatley
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 76
District: Meriden
County: Warwickshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6d
Name: Charles Keatley
Birth: abt 1836
Death: Mar 1912 - Meriden, Warwickshire, West Midlands

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
PreviewName: Charles Keatley
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 58
District: Meriden
County: Warwickshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6d
Name: Charles Keatley
Birth: abt 1838
Death: Dec 1896 - Meriden, Warwickshire, West Midlands

Clara wasn't a Carter, so no joy there.

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Marriages Sep 1861
Hartwell John Birmingham 6d 111
Keatley Charles Birmingham 6d 111
Wallace Clara Jane Birmingham 6d 111
WILLIAMS Mary Birmingham 6d 111


Wrong place for my Carters too ... although my Ms. Carter's son did marry my Ms. Cooper's daughter. ;)

Not Sure how to find out why he was in Meriden, I wouldn`t think he was related as he was a foster child. I have found out all births of Joseph Carters in London, and the all deaths of Josephs in London, to narrow the search. The area Poplar seems to be a lead but even if i order this Birth Cert, i dont think this would help. His Birth Day seems to be 19th Sept. However, on his death & Marriage Cert it Says Born 1890. All Census records Seem to Point Towards Being born in 1892. Maybe the way forward is to order the birth certificate for Poplar to see if the date of birth is the 19th Sept.

Marriage
Charles Keatley 1861 Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire
View Record
Clara Jane Wallace 1861 Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire

None of this is doing anything.

Ido know that Charles Keatley Died in 1912 and his Father was also a Charles Keatley, So you are right there.

To JaneyCanuck, Are You Sure there Is No Connection, The Names Matching Seem To Be A Coincidence.

No, Simon, much as I hope for cousins, no hope here I fear.

My Carters were from Northamptonshire, Wellingborough area, and my Coopers from Nottinghamshire, Basford area. Both families long rooted and all present and accounted for! And actually I was a generation out: it was the grandson of Ms. Carter and the granddaughter of Ms. Cooper (Carter and Cooper were both born in the 1860s) who married here in Canada. ;)


Madmeg -- I posted that marriage on p. 1. ;)

Where do you have the birthdate from -- family birthdays and such?

I tend to agree -- order what seems to be the most likely birth cert and see.

I've found that people are more likely to know their birthday, i.e. month and day, or to know their elderly relations' birthdays, and get the year wrong, than the other way around. My grandfather was born in 1901 but believed he was born in 1900 until he had to get his birth cert when he retired -- knew when his birthday was, though. ;)


Also, he may well have been the child of unmarried parents, so a birth cert with no father named could be a good lead too.


Also just for our ref here (you have all this but we don't) - this is his death I guess:

Name: Joseph Carter
Birth Date: 19 Sep 1890
Death Registration Month/Year: 1975
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: West Midlands
Volume: 33
Page: 0166