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Chevaun
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28 Oct 2010 16:59 |
Trying to find details of Kathleen Clements, lived in the W.10 area of London in1930's/40's/50's. Kathleen had four brothers Edward (Ted), Thomas, Michael (Mick), Jack and two sisters Elizabeth (Liz) and Doll? Doll married a Nagle and had six children Dolly, Constance, Francis (goo goo) and Bridget and two brothers, Fred and Peter. Any help in tracing records or details relating to this family would be greatly appreciated. Many Thanks, Chevaun.
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Flick
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28 Oct 2010 17:04 |
This is the only marriage of Clements to Nagle on Ancestry
Name: Mary E Clements Spouse Surname: Nagle Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920 Registration district: Kensington Registration county (inferred): Middlesex Volume Number: 1a Page Number: 501 Find Spouse: Find Spouse
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Chevaun
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28 Oct 2010 17:12 |
Thanks very much Flick, I'll check it out on BMD. Doll must have been the nickname for Mary.
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28 Oct 2010 17:13 |
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1246552
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Chevaun
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28 Oct 2010 17:20 |
Hi Jax, That was my post from yesterday regarding my great grandfather Frederick Besant who was Kathleens husband. I had some helpful feedback when researching but drew a blank with Kathleens family, which is why I opened up this new thread today. Chevaun.
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Chevaun
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28 Oct 2010 21:14 |
Does anyone know why this site keeps returning 0 matches found when I do a search for people in my tree, just after it has told me that there ARE matches for people in my tree! So confusing....
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Chevaun
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7 Feb 2011 10:55 |
Hi everyone, I've finally made a breakthrough with my family line and have found my great great grandfather (George Clements, born Rochester, Kent) on the 1901 census, he is married to a women named Mary, born in Wales and is also living with his mother in law a Mary Fleming, born in Clare, Ireland. I've searched this sites marriage records and also freebmd's site for a marriage record of the two of them (George Clements/Mary Fleming) but have had no success at finding an entry. is anyone able to do a search for this marriage for me? Any help would be greatly appreciated, I presume that the marriage would have taken place at some time between 1886 and 1901. Thank you, Chevaun.
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jax
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7 Feb 2011 11:16 |
1891
Name: Mary Fleming Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1873 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Maurice Fleming Mother's name: Mary Fleming Gender: Female Where born: Tredegar, Wales Civil Parish: Chiswick Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas Town: Chiswick County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Brentford Sub-registration district: Chiswick ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Maurice Fleming 50 Mary Fleming 60 Mary Fleming 18 >>>>>>>>>>>>married?? Edward Fleming 15 Patrick Fleming 7 John Fleming 4 George Clements 5 >>>>>>>>>>>son in law should say 21 Elizabeth Clements 7/12 1901
Name: Mary Clements [Mary Fleming] Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1873 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: George Clements Mother's name: Mary Fleming Gender: Female Where born: Treadger, Wales Civil Parish: Rochester St Margaret Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester St Peter County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Medway Sub-registration district: Rochester and Chatham ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 118 Household Members: Name Age George Clements 31 Mary Clements 28 Elizabeth Clements 10 Edward Clements 8 Thomas Clements 5 John Clements 3 Mary Fleming 68 No marriage showing that I can see between these two
I have added an amendment to the age of George on the 1891 census
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Chevaun
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7 Feb 2011 11:36 |
Thank you very much Jax, this info is much appreciated. I managed to find them as stated above on the 1901 but had no details with regards to the 1891 so this really helps.... From the info you have found I presume that they were living with Mary's parents and had not married at the time of the birth of their first child Elizabeth, if ever?
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jax
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7 Feb 2011 11:39 |
It certainly looks that way..
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Chevaun
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7 Feb 2011 11:56 |
Hmmm... Strange, certainly wasn't expecting that. I would have thought that that kind of thing would have been frowned upon for that time period, especially as the family history suggests that we are all Catholic but I agree, it definatley looks that way, a bit of hidden family scandal! Thank you so much for amending the entry for George on the 1891 Census, maybe this is why I am unable to find an entry for him. Can I just ask if you could give me details of who the other entries are on the Census, Edward Fleming 15 Patrick Fleming 7 John Fleming 4 Are they Mary's siblings? Also if possible place of Birth for father, Maurice? I'm sorry to be a pain, it's just that the info would really help me to continue my search. Much appreciated, Chevaun.
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7 Feb 2011 12:04 |
It may have been frowned upon but it happened all the time, but they must have kept these things quite back then.
Edward is her brother and the other two are children of another sibling I guess as it says grandchildren
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rootgatherer
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7 Feb 2011 14:35 |
This looks like the marriage?
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beavis Albert Brentford 3a 182 Clements George Brentford 3a 182 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< FLEMMING Mary Brentford 3a 182 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< OSBORNE Alice Anne Brentford 3a 182
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7 Feb 2011 14:44 |
1871
Name: George Clements Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1870 Relation: Son Father's name: John Clements Mother's name: Maria Clements Gender: Male Where born: Rochester, Kent, England Civil Parish: St Margaret Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Medway Sub-registration district: Rochester ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 30 Household Members: Name Age John Clements 50 Ag. Lab, b. Littlebourn, Kent, England Maria Clements 41 b. Rochester, Kent, England Sarah Clements 22 b. Rochester, Kent, England William Clements 12 b.Bekesbourne, Kent, England Mary Ann Clements 6 b.Rochester, Kent, England Alfred Clements 4 b. Rochester, Kent, England George Clements 1 b. Rochester, Kent, England Edward Neave 41 Boarder
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7 Feb 2011 14:54 |
1861
Name: John Clements Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Maria Clements Gender: Male Where born: Littlebourn, Kent, England Civil Parish: Rochester St Margaret Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Medway Sub-registration district: Rochester ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 420 Household Members: Name Age John Clements 38 Maria Clements 31 Emma Clements 16 Sarah Clements 12 James Clements 9 Thos Clements 6 William Clements 3 Daughter Sarah in 1851?
Name: Sarah Clements Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: F (Female) Where born: Rochester, Kent, England Civil Parish: Rochester St Margaret County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address:
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Disability: View image Registration district: Medway Sub-registration district: Rochester ED, institution, or vessel: 3a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 150 Household Members: Name Age James Beaney 61 Margaret Beaney 60 Maria Clements 24 Emma Beany 7 Sarah Clements 3 Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1848 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BEANEY Maria Medway 5 414 Clements John Medway 5 414
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7 Feb 2011 15:15 |
well done Rootgatherer
No scandal then!! looks like she was only 16 when they married
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Chevaun
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7 Feb 2011 16:14 |
Thank you so much Rootgatherer for all your research! I'm so happy to have a match for a marriage between George and Mary as they went on to have many more children (including my great grandmother) and I was surprised to think that they wouldn't have officially committed to each other in their lifetime.... I will go ahead and buy the certificate. Thanks once again Rootgatherer and also Jax for taking the time out of your day to assist my search, I'm really so grateful. Apologies for my delayed response this afternoon, my wireless mouse ran out of batteries and I had to dash to Sainsburys to replace them! Best Wishes to you both, Chevaun.
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Chevaun
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14 Feb 2011 12:00 |
Hi Rootgatherer, Just wanted to say Thank you and well done, I bought the marriage certificate of Mary Flemming and George Clements, which you found the reference for, it arrived this morning and it was the right entry... Mary WAS only 16 when they married! Thanks ever so much again, I had no luck finding the entry when I searched myself! Best wishes, Chevaun.
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rootgatherer
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14 Feb 2011 21:57 |
Chevaun, Thank you for taking the time to let us know that it was the correct marriage certificate. It is always a p;easure to help and gratifying to know of a positive outcome.
Good luck with your research.
PS, I don't think we answered your question about where Maurice was born - the 1891 census (the only one I can see him on at the moment) says born: Tredegar, Wales. According to the 1891 the whole family were born there.
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14 Feb 2011 22:10 |
1881 - different birthplace - and probably more likely?
Name: Maurice Flemming Age: 44 Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Flemming Gender: Male Where born: Cork, Ireland Civil Parish: Ealing County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 10 Baileys Row Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Labourer Registration district: Brentford Sub-registration district: Brentford ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Maurice Flemming 44 Labourer Mary Flemming 44 Garden woman, b. Limerick Ellen Flemming 19 Tredegar Margaret Flemming 16 Tredegar John Flemming 14 Kent, Belvedere Thomas Flemming 10 Tredegar Mary Flemming 8 Tredegar Edward Flemming 5 Middlesex, Brentford
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