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Trying to find my Grandfather this is what I know
He was dead by 14/03/1930 and his occupation was a Coal Trimmer.
I know this as it says so on his daughters (Nellie Colley, Born c1911) marraige cert 14/03/1930
Now there is a John Lewis Colley born 1890 Tenby, Wales
Which i think is him but i havent got the 1911 Census.
I can see him on the 1891 & 1901 Census but then lose him ?
Does he have a child Nellie in the 1911 Census is he still in Cardiff ?
I dont have anythig on my Grandmother either except her marraige cert so that means i dont know where they were born ?
But im looking into this 1891 / 1901 FELLA
CAN YOU HELP ?

How old does it say Nellie is on marriage please?
And are the witnesses of the Colley family.

Is this him?

COLLEY, John Head Married M 20 1891 Labourer Tenby Pembrokeshire
COLLEY, Emily Wife F 18 1893


RG14PN32127 RG78PN1846 RD588 SD3 ED28 SN99

Registration District:
Cardiff Sub District:
Central Cardiff EnumerationDistrict:
28 Parish:
Cardiff


5 Loudoun Square Cardiff County:
Glamorganshire

For ref

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1930 (>99%)
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Bukhsh Karim Colley Cardiff 11a 506
Colley Nellie Karim Bukhsh Cardiff 11a 506
Karim Bukhsh Colley Cardiff 11a 506


Births Sep 1907 (>99%)
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COLLEY Nellie Cardiff 11a 447


Andy

The only marriage for a John Lewis Colley on freebmd that I can see

Marriages Sep 1887
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Colley John Lewis Pembroke 11a 1214
JENKINS Mary Pembroke 11a 1214
RICHARDS Jane Pembroke 11a 1214
Walters David Pembroke 11a 1214

There is this Nellie which connects to the one previously posted by Andy:

COLLEY, George Henry Head Married M 38 1873 Builders Carpenter Yeovil Somerset VIEW
COLLEY, Minnie Wife Married
14 years F 40 1871 Yeovil Somerset VIEW
COLLEY, Eva Minnie Rose Daughter F 13 1898 School Yeovil Somerset VIEW
COLLEY, Annie Ethel Maud Daughter F 12 1899 School Yeovil Somerset VIEW
COLLEY, John Reginald Son M 6 1905 Cardiff Glamorgan VIEW
COLLEY, Nellie Daughter F 3 1908 Cardiff Glamorgan VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
32146 Reference:
RG14PN32146 RG78PN1847 RD588 SD4 ED14 SN72

Registration District:
Cardiff Sub District:
West Cardiff EnumerationDistrict:
14 Parish:
Cardiff

Address:
1 Cardigan St Cardiff County:
Glamorganshire


Dea x

If this man is your grandfather do you not have your parents place and date of birth?
Or the birth cert of your parent to give you both the parents names?

You say..
I dont have anythig on my Grandmother either except her marraige cert so that means i dont know where they were born ?

So if you have your grandparents marriage cert when did the marriage take place and what was your grandmothers name ,then we may be able to find the correct John Colley if we know his wifes name,and there fore both of Nellies parents names.
Or do you mean that JohnLewis Colley is your Greatgrandfather.

There seem to be two generations mixed here
The 1887 marriage is for John Lewis Colley senior to Mary Jenkins

1891 has that John aged 23 Seaman b Liverpool and Mary 22 b Tenby lodging in Cardiff with George and Ann Gibbs. With them are Arthur Colley 2 and John Lewis Colley junior aged 7mths both born Tenby

And there is a third generation John L Colley b1913 Mar Q Cardiff (mms Bitters) 11a 827
John L Colley married 1910 DecQ Cardiff Emilie Bitters 11a 577

Thank you Gillian,for helping to sort that out,I got totally lost there.

So this must be Nellies Fathers marriage then do you think?

Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
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Bitters Emilier F Cardiff 11a 577
Colley John L Cardiff 11a 577
Eyre John C Cardiff 11a 577
Jellings Margaret B Cardiff 11a 577


And maybe Nellie was really born Eleanor or Helen or Ellen?

No Nellie only this.

Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
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Colley Mary G Bitters Cardiff 11a 800

I have sent a PM to Gareth asking him to return here please.

My God so many replys in such a short time right this is what i have:

Nellie Colley (Age19) was my Grandmother I have her Marraige Certificate to
Karim Bukhsh 14/03/1930 only the father named as John Lewis Colley (Deceased) Coal Trimmer.(My G Grandfather)
Nellie living at
5 Nelson Street Cardiff.

Both witnesses are from the Husbands side.(Ali)
I then have my fathers birth Cert 24/01/1934 where Nellie was living at 32 Loudon Square, Cardiff (House Keeper)
Does this help ?
Im of the thinking that the Tenby Colleys are the ones ? but i need to see the 1911 Census ?
I think it's John Lewis Colley (Liverpool)
Wife Emily
Son John Lewis Colley Tenby
All living in Cardiff ?
Was there a Nellie Colley born in Tenby ?
Now the hard bit

The 1911 census is the one I first posted -

Just John + Emily on there - no Nellie born yet!

Dea x

I had thought that Mary G Colley b 1911 might be known as Nellie but that was knocked on the head by the fact that she died in the same quarter she was born (Dec 1911) 11a 388
This makes it very difficult to see how Nellie could have been born to John and Emily in 1911
My next thought was perhaps she was actually born before the marriage and her year of birth adjusted for reasons of respectability but I have checked for a Nellie Bitters and not found one
I also cant find with certainty the death of the 1890 John Lewis Colley before 1930
Think I have run out of ideas -how about you Viv?

There is an Ellen Elizabeth Colley b 1910 Dec Q Neath 11a 991
Does anybody have the access to 1911 to check her out as to others in the household?

1911

Ellen El;izabeth was born in Resolven - daughter of David + Lucy.

Dea x

Thanks Dea that rules that one out

I have found these deaths - are they connected?

Karim Bukhsh
Death Registration Month/Year: 1957
Age at death (estimated): 58
Registration district: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 1a
Page: 729
................

Shirley Bukhsh
Death Registration Month/Year: 1942
Age at death (estimated): 0
Registration district: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 1053

I can't find a death for Nellie ... Any help please???

Dea x

Not on the deaths front yet Dea but I found this marrige to go with your South Shields deaths.
Did Nellie and Karim divorce or did Nellie die before Karim?
Or is this Karim totally unrelated.


Name: Karim Bukhsh
Spouse Surname: Twiname
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1953
Registration district: South Shields
Registration county (inferred): Durham
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 1656