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British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
about William Farnsworth
Name: William Farnsworth
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1880
Birth Parish: Hull
Birth County: Yorks
Regiment Name: Manchester Regt
Regiment Number: 6802
Document Year: 1901
Number of Images: 6
Discharged in 1904 as medically unfit

Next of kin,mother Elizabeth and brother robert
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pension records.
I believe he lies to try to serve his country but gets chucked out 2 months later as medically unfit

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
about William Farnsworth
Name: William Farnsworth
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Age at Enlistment: 29
Birth Parish: Tpool
Birth County: Lancashire
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 91731
Number of Images: 30

Next of kin,,wife florence

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This is definatley the same man as the tattoos on his arm give it away and I make him born august on both

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1911 census he his born hull 1880

1901 census he is born Bedersley yorks 1880
Inmate of"private malitia infantry"?

1891 census he is born hull 1880
Mother Elizabeth,father robert farnsworth


Marriage cert says age 25 in 1905,father robert william farnsworth.{carriage maker}
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Now here comes the funny part


1881 England Census
about Robert W. Farnsworth
Name: Robert W. Farnsworth
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Kelpringham, Lincoln, England

Civil parish: Kingston-Upon-Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Lillys Terrace
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Coach Carriage Maker

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert W. Farnsworth 32
Sarah Farnsworth 31
Frederick w farnsworth 11
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Frederick dies in 1890

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I do hope I have most of the details down and have not made it too confusing.
B

This I believe is williams mother in 1881,by a process of elimination,she marries robert farnsworth in 1884.


1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Marshall
Name: Elizabeth Marshall
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Laceby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address: Caistor Rd
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Domestic Serv

Registration district: Caistor
Sub-registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Youhill 63
William (Jnr) Youhill 36
Caroline Youhill 21
Nelly Willows 4
Sarah Jane Gibson 54
Alice Hayworth 21
Elizabeth Marshall 26

Brucie!

Even though I've seen these folks before (no previous thread, no fears), I'm still a bit at sea.

Tell us what you want. ;)

And what's so funny about the 1881 census?

Remind me what the mystery is here ...

The mystery would be ... where the heck is he in 1881?

How can Robert farnsworth be williams real father if robert is married to sarah in 1881 and elizabeth and he didnt marry til 1884,ok,he could have signed a cert to say he was the dad.
But in that case where is william in 1881.

This is the only birth I can see that would fit him anywhere near being reg as a Farnsworth

Births Sep 1880 (>99%)
FARNSWORTH William Durham 10a 418

Yeah, yeah,Im sending for it just to eliminate it if nothing else.

But I didnt think durham was very near hull,well judging by the map its not .

I have sent for the 1884 marriage of elizabeth and robert farnsworth.

Or Elizabeth could just have called herself Mrs Farnsworth when she registered the birth?

Get the birth certificate and we'll talk.

In 1881, Elizabeth Marshall was in Caistor reg distr, Lincolnshire.


Births Sep 1880
MARSHALL William George Caistor 7a 651


I don't see that one in the 1881, or dying by 1881, on quick searches.

1901 census he is born Bedersley yorks 1880
Inmate of"private malitia infantry"?


And I can't find that because ...?


Edit -- because:


Name: William Farnworth <<
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Inmate
Where born: Bederley, Yorkshire, England << Beverley, I read it?

Civil parish: Bury
County/Island: Lancashire

ED, institution, or vessel: The Barracks


I think he is an inmate of the barracks, and his occupation is Private, (in the) Militia Infantry.

I will send for it after I have his mothers marriage cert {which should arrive in the next few days}to be sure of her maiden name for checking ref.

There might be some possibility of confusion.

Farnsworth, W. 29560, Trooper 15th Coy., 5th Bn. I.Y.

That's the 15th company, 5th Northumberland battalion, of the Imperial Yeomanry -- which was the militia, in the Anglo-Boer war.

Were there two WFs?


Edit - there were actually a number of William FARNWORTHs born c1880, so that one in the 1901 might not be him. (None born in Yorkshire though, true.)

Sorry about the 1901 spelling,I forgot,
well I cant be perfect all the time.

So now I have to get the marshall one as well???????????
After I get mothers marrige then, for the checking ref.

His ww1 service records dated 1-8-1901 say that he was in

5th battalion lancs reg ,and still serving there when signing up with the manchester reg{I think}
Im not good at army stuff.

I'm not good with army stuff either ... but I'm pretty sure WWI was 1914-1918. ;)

That's why I find it confusing that this index:

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920

has this record:

"His ww1 service records dated 1-8-1901"

The Ancestry record says "Document Year: 1901".

Is this all because his WWI records show his 1901 enrolment?

Except he was discharged 1904.

And his actual WWI records are under a different number, showing a different DOB.

That's where I'm lost.

Could indeed by the same guy, but I don't understand what that 1901 record is and why it's lumped in with WWI records.


Maybe one of the military-savvy people will happen by. If not, try giving mgnv a shout, maybe.

Nor did I ,but they are definately the same man(tattoos an all}
Even though the year and place of birth are different.
The 1884 liverpool birth one has him married to the right woman,with the right children as per 1911 census where he was born in hull and their marriage cert says he was age 25 in 1905.

Also the signatures are all the same.
service record,pension record and 1911 census.
The only thing on the pension record is he has tried to disguise his signature on enlistment and has blue eyes,and someone has put down that he had an arrow tattoo instead of a dagger,which then changes to a dagger on discharge,as per the service records description of the tattoos.
Which makes me believe he knew the enlistment officer and he was helping to try and get william past his earlier "medically unfit"discharge in 1904.
but on his discharge 2 months later he has hazel eyes and his signature is clearly the same as on 1911 and service records.

I'm not doubting they're all the guy! I'm just confused by the 1901 thingy being in the WWI database. Maybe somebody did suss him and connect them up?

Who is mgnv?,I have seen the moniker but never been on same thread.
Would they be able to help clear a few things up on this army stuff?
If so I will look for them and send a pleading PM.
Unless you have them in your contacts list?xxxx

The other thing is ,
why does he say that his mother elizabeth and brother robert farnsworth are his next of kin on the 1901 papers and not
Father robert and mother Elizabeth.

Robert william farnsworth was still alive then.

Then on his marriage cert name his father as robert william farnsworth...
for respecability????

I dont believe that robert william farnsworth is his father,but would like to be persuaded to it as it would make things easier.

Done - PMed mgnv.

Re the mother/brother thing -- I think it was MargaretManson pointed out to me a while back that mother was always listed as next of kin, even if father was living. I'd been assuming it meant mother was widowed. (It hadn't occurred to me because the only WWI enrolee in my family did give his father, good old Ernest you-know-who/what -- but in that case, the mother actually was deceased.)