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I am trying to find info on my paternal Grandma. Her name was Lilly (the spelling varies even on family documents) I do know she was from Liverpool b.10/9/1868.
The family bible says she had a brother Edward Hall b22/11/1852 and a sister, Mary Anne Hall no dob but died 8/1/1853.
(I must add here that some of the family think she may have been born Stuart or Stewart and adopted by someone called Hall. It isn't easy is it? lol)
Lilly married Walter Parry from Hengoed, Oswestry at Toxteth Park and they lived in Hyde Cheshire.
I am trying fo find out where she came from originally, her family, her date of death (which was sometime in 1944 I believe)
I can't find anything in the BMD apart from the marriage record.
Over to you good people! I thank you in advance for any and all help and advice you can give me.
Colin Parry

1891 England Census

Name: Lillie Parry
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter-in-law
Spouse's name: Walter
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Selattyn
Ecclesiastical parish: Selattyn
Town: Selattyn
County/Island: Shropshire

Registration district: Oswestry
Sub-registration district: Llansilin

Thomas Parry 57
Walter Parry 25 Where born: Hengoed, Shropshire, England
Lillie Parry 22
Sinah Ann Parry 5/12

1911:

PARRY, Walter Head Married M 44 1867 Carter Hengoed Selattyn VIEW
PARRY, Lilly Wife Married
20 years F 42 1869 Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
PARRY, Gertrude Daughter Single F 18 1893 Ring Spinner Selattyn Llansilin VIEW
PARRY, Elizabeth Annie Daughter Single F 17 1894 Ring Spinner Selattyn Llansilin VIEW
PARRY, Fanny Daughter Single F 15 1896 Ring Spinner Selattyn Llansilin VIEW
PARRY, Florence Daughter Single F 11 1900 School Oswestry Salop VIEW
PARRY, Edith Daughter Single F 9 1902 School Oswestry Salop VIEW
PARRY, Mary Constance Daughter Single F 6 1905 School Oswestry Salop VIEW
PARRY, Norah Phyliss Daughter Single F 5 1906 School Oswestry Salop VIEW
PARRY, Jessie Daughter Single F 3 1908 Newton Hyde VIEW
PARRY, Winifred Daughter Single F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Dukinfield Ashton U Lyne VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24412 Reference:
RG14PN24412 RG78PN1400 RD468 SD7 ED10 SN234

Registration District:
Ashton Under Lyne Sub District:
Dukinfield Enumeration District:
10 Parish:
Dukinfield

Address:
29 Birch Lane Dukinfield County:
Lancashire

hi
this one has stewart as a middle name
Births Sep 1868 (>99%)
CHAMBERS Lilian Stewart Liverpool 8b 116

Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)
Hall Lilly Toxteth Park 8b 478
Parry Walter Toxteth Park 8b 478

You could do with this cert really to ascertain father's name.

Jan

I think this is mary A. not Mary E.

1881 England Census

Name: Lillie Hall
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 22 Portwood St
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby (Municipal)

Sarah Hall 64
Lillie Hall 12
Mary E. Hall 11

I imagine you have all this, but just in case:

1901 England Census

Name: Lilly Parry
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Walter
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Oswestry
Ecclesiastical parish: Oswestry Holy Trinity
County/Island: Shropshire

Registration district: Oswestry
Sub-registration district: Oswestry

Walter Parry 35
Lilly Parry 33
Gertrude Parry 9
Elizabeth A Parry 8
Fanny Parry 7
Alice Parry 5
Florence Parry 1

I guess this is where the Stuart speculation comes in??
1871 Ancestry
Name: Sarah Hall
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Hall 53
David B Hall 13
Sarah R Evans 22
Mary Stuart 2
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3846; Folio: 104; Page: 18

Maureen

Thank you safc, I had not thought of lilly being a shorted version of Lillian! Doh! I am fairly new to this. fun isn't it?
Colin

To Brummiejan
I think this is where the Hall name comes in. Sarah is shown as "Nurse" I did wonder about the Mary mentioned here. Would not be Lily's sister as she was already dead by '81 according to family bible.
I do have the records you have sent but I do appreciate your help! Thank you!
I think you are right about the marriage cert it is on my "go get" list which is ever expanding :-(
Thanks again,
Colin
Colin

Hi Colin,

Just checked Lillian Stewart Chambers and she is still with her mother in 1891, so unfortunately I don't think she is your Grandma.

Do you have your Grandma's marriage certificate? If you don't it maybe worth getting it and seeing who she put as her father and also seeing who the witnesses were.... sometimes these were family members, that would really help!

You can order certificates at The General Register, it's the cheapest place and hopefully it may help with the search.


Dee x

MaureenNY:- Please excuse my ignorance but how do you associate this entry with my Lilly? Am I missing something?
The spelling could be right as some of my cousins have this as their middle name and tradition says it came from Grandma Parry (Lilly)
Thanks for helping!
Colin

Thank you Dee. I am going to get the cert and thank you for the advice about where to get it.

All you people are wonderful! I've never had a reply on a request site so quick! Let alone this many.
Thank you all!
Colin.

Hi Colin,
I was just going back one census to the Sarah Hall that Brummiejan found in 1881 with a Lillie and Mary Hall as boarders.
She has a Mary Stuart with her in 1871 and I thought perhaps someone researching on your side of the family may have extrapolated and decided that the Mary in 1881 was the same person.

And if that made any sense to anyone....

Maureen

Edit: Just cleaned up my post to correct census data.

Sorry I deleted.

I think Maureen that you are on the right tracks and that the 1871 Sarah is the same lady in the 1881 census. I noted that Mary Stuart was a nurse child on the 1871 census and this would tie in with Sarah Halls occupation on the 1881 census.

But for the life of me I can't see them in 1861.

EDIT>>>>>>>> just checked the 1871 and 1881 census for Sarah Hall........ it's the same address!!


Dee x

Found this death;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

Deaths Sep 1876 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hall David Bonner 19 West Derby 8b 386



I think this is the son from the 1871 census....... just can't see a birth.


Dee x

It would be interesting to see who was living at 22 Portwood Street in 1861... I can see it available on Find My Past but unfortunately I have no subs or credits left.

Colin, sometimes we have to go further back before we can make sense of the findings.


Dee x

Nobody that looks tied in:
1861 census transcription details for: 22, Portwood Street, West Derby, Liverpool
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 2734 Folio: 37 Page: 20

Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: 6 West Derby
Parish: West Derby Enum. District: 38e
Ecclesiastical District: St Clement City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool
Address: 22, Portwood Street, West Derby, Liverpool County: Lancashire

NAYLOR, William Head Married M 56 1805 Razor Grinder
Sheffield
Yorkshire
NAYLOR, Mary Wife Married F 52 1809
Dunalastair
Yorkshire
JONES, Fanny Daughter Married F 27 1834 Butcher
Sheffield
Yorkshire
NAYLOR, John Son Unmarried M 19 1842 Butcher
Sheffield
Yorkshire
NAYLOR, Henry Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Carter
Sheffield
Yorkshire
NAYLOR, Richard Son Unmarried M 14 1847 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire


Maureen

Thanks Maureen. I wonder if the 1861 census that we're looking for is one of the water damaged batches?


Dee x

Could well be,Dee. I know FMP has some? of the resurrected ones,but I can't see Sarah. Any bets that David isn't her natural son either?

Maureen