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Hello,
I am trying to find information about Susannah Harris and her family. she was born in Manchester in 1885. On the 1891 census she comes up as an inmate (probably a boarding school) along with her sister Maria born 1882. On the 1901 census Susannah, Maria and 3 other sisters are living at 20 Ruth Street Salford. Susannah's mother is listed as Maria, born 1863, her place of birth is listed as South African Resident. It states she is married but no father is living at the address.

I am trying to find out who Susannah's father was and her mothers maiden name. Also I am unable to find Maria (mother) on any UK census prior to 1901 although her children were born in Manchester/Salford between 1882 and 1900.

Can anyone help.

All help greatly received.

Thanks
Sandra

Is this it ? will find out mothers maiden name and father (if added)

Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
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Harris Susannah Manchester 8d 210

1911 census - household transcription
Person: HARRIS, Maria
Address: 25 Rhyl St Pendleton Salford


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DAVENPORT, Josiah Head Widower M 60 1851 Bricksetter Labourer Pendlebury Lancashire VIEW
HARRIS, Maria Housekeeper Married
30 years F 48 1863 Housekeeper Nata South Africa Resident VIEW
HARRIS, Elizabeth Daughter F 14 1897 School Lancashire Salford VIEW

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1891 census - household transcription
Person: HARRIS, Susannah
Institution: Salford Union Workhouse, Eccles New Road Salford


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HARRIS, Susannah Inmate F 5 1886 Scholar
VIEW

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There's this:

1881 England Census
about Maria E. Lewis
Name: Maria E. Lewis
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Adapted Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Natal, Africa
Civil parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Walker St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:.
Occupation: Factory Operative
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John E. Lewis 60
Elizabeth Lewis 56
Chas. L. Lewis 32
Maria E. Lewis 19
Sarah Leech 1


Rose

Marriages Sep 1878
LEACH Timothy Edmund Manchester 8d
WHITE Maria Eveline Manchester 8d 215


From IGI:

Sarah Leach
Christening: 04 FEB 1880 St George'S Church, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Parents:
Father: Timothy Edmund Leach
Mother: Maria Endina Leach

Rose

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from the new beta.familysearch site ..... free to use

www.familysearch.org/


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Susannah Harris
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 23 Dec 1885
baptism/christening place: St. Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England
father's name: Thomas Harris
mother's name: Maria
indexing project (batch) number: I03090-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1786461





???? other siblings???

(familysearch won't let me C&P)



Maria, baptized 23 Dec 1885, St Bartholomew, Salford

Annie and Josiah both baptiized 15 Jan 1896, Salford





sylvia

Thanks everyone for you help. Dont think I would have been able to find this information without you!

Jax,
What do you mean by if added?
Is this it ? will find out mothers maiden name and father (if added)

Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
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Harris Susannah Manchester 8d 210

I think this is defo the right one.

Sylvia,

Thanks for the info on the siblings. Its quite strange dont you think that she has a child called Josiah and that is the name of the man she is housekeeping for?

I cant seem to find her with Susannah's father on any census though or indeed a marriage to him.

Thanks for you help perhaps a visit to the church records might be needed.

Suzanne

I think that Jax means that you will find out the father's name if he is mentioned on the birth certificate. If Susannah's mother was married then the father should be named on the certificate. However if she wasn't married then the father's name may not be added to the certificate if the child was illegitimate.

Kath. x

Rose.

I really like your input...............it would be fascinating if she was adopted.

I dont know how i could find out if this is the correct person though or if her real surname was White when she married Timothy Leach. If it was do you have any idea why they might have put Lewis on the census and not her married name?

Its getting confusing and I've only just looked at this branch.

Thanks for all you help, Suzanne

Kathleen,

Thanks for that......................it makes sense now.............better get it ordered!

Suzanne

Always a good idea to check Lancashire births and marriages on lancs-opc site:

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Here is the Leach/White marriage giving father's names:

Marriage: 22 Sep 1878 St Oswald, Collyhurst, Lancashire, England
Timothy Edmund Leach - 20 Labourer Bachelor of 7 Susan St.
Maria Eveline White - (X), 18 Reeler Spinster of 7 Susan St.
Groom's Father: Timothy Leach, Plumber
Bride's Father: James White, Officer
Witness: William Dale; Martha Dale
Married by Banns by: A. Brooke Clarke Rector
Register: Marriages 1855 - 1882, Page 153, Entry 305
Source: LDS Film 2148023

Thanks Potty,

Any idea why she would be adopted by the lewis family if at 18 when she married, her father was still alive?

Think I will get Susannah's birth certificate first before I pin to much hope on Maria Lewis......however there cant be many Maria's from Africa living in Manchester in 1881............so maybe this is the right line of enquiry.

Thanks for web site address for lancs-ops

Suzanne

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Marriages Mar 1889 (>99%)
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Harris Thomas Salford 8d 64
LEACH Maria Salford 8d 64

Stil married to Mr Leach when Susannah was born

Checking the image for the 1881 that Rose posted, Maria is shown as married, as is the son Charles; Sarah Leech is shown as daughter and, given their ages,probably not John and Elizabeth's.

There is death for for a Timothy Leach in 1879:

Deaths Dec 1879 (99%)
Leach Timothy 20 Bury 8c 349

great stuff Jax and Potty.................what skeletons have you uncovered there!

Another good site for Lancashire is lancsbmd:
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

This is the marriage jax found from that site:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1889
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HARRIS Thomas LEACH Maria Salford St Bartholomew Salford

Usually on that site, if a woman has been married before it gives her maiden name and her previous married name.

Did Susannah marry? Her marriage cert should give her father's name and occupation which would help to confirm any other findings.

Maria's father wasn't necessarily alive when she married; just because he is mentioned doesn't mean he was present at the wedding or that he was still alive.

I see from the 1911 census Maria said she had 12 children 7 living and 5 died

jax

Potty,

Susannah did marry.............another certificate I think needs ordering!

Will check out the info on that and if it confirms Thomas Harris as her father can then order the marriage certificate for her father.

Cheers
Suzanne