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Josiah died in 1896:

Deaths Sep 1896 (>99%)
Harris Josiah 0 Manchester 8d 163

Timothy was still alive until 1906:

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Timothy LEACH Head M Male 60 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Plumber
Sarah LEACH Wife M Female 58 Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Timothy LEACH Son M Male 21 Manchester, Lancashire, England Navvy
Robt. W. LEACH Son U Male 17 Manchester, Lancashire, England Driller In Foundry (Iron)
Sarah EVITT Daur W Female 38 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Cotton Hank Winder
Eliz.E. EVITT Grand Daur U Female 15 Chorlton On Medlock, Lancashire, England Mantle Maker
Jno.Thos. EVITT Grand Son U Male 11 Chorlton On Medlock, Lancashire, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 161 Oldham Rd
Census Place Newton, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341957
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4009 / 24
Page Number 41

Rose

the plot thickens!

This is the Thomas Harris/Maria Leach marriage from lancs-opc - different father's name and occupation to the White/Leach marriage and she says she is a spinster:

Marriage: 2 Feb 1889 St Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England

Thomas Harris - 31 Labourer Bachelor of 6 John Wood St.
Maria Leach - (X), 27 Reeler Spinster of 6 John Wood St.
Groom's Father: Joseph Harris, Labourer
Bride's Father: John Leach, (deceased), Maker up
Witness: William O'Mara; Sarah Ball
Married by Licence by: G. W. Petherick
Register: Marriages 1888 - 1891, Page 9, Entry 17
Source: LDS Film 1786464

yes found that too.................but where was the mother in 1891 when the children were in the workhouse or the father for that matter!

Seems very strange!

In 1891 the Susannah and Maria are in Salford Workhouse.

In 1901 they are living with their mother and Josiah Davenport.

Jax,

I noticed that too.

So far have the names of Maria, Susannah, Elizabeth. Annie and Ruth.

Does she mean Josiah Harris and Sarah Leach are still alive in 1911 but not living with her?

And by 1911 Ruth had died, age 1. so there must be another child somewhere still alive that we havent found!

Suzanne

Potty,

Susannah did marry.............another certificate I think needs ordering!

Will check out the info on that and if it confirms Thomas Harris as her father can then order the marriage certificate for her father.

Cheers
Suzanne

I see from the 1911 census Maria said she had 12 children 7 living and 5 died

jax

Another good site for Lancashire is lancsbmd:
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

This is the marriage jax found from that site:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1889
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HARRIS Thomas LEACH Maria Salford St Bartholomew Salford

Usually on that site, if a woman has been married before it gives her maiden name and her previous married name.

Did Susannah marry? Her marriage cert should give her father's name and occupation which would help to confirm any other findings.

Maria's father wasn't necessarily alive when she married; just because he is mentioned doesn't mean he was present at the wedding or that he was still alive.

great stuff Jax and Potty.................what skeletons have you uncovered there!

Checking the image for the 1881 that Rose posted, Maria is shown as married, as is the son Charles; Sarah Leech is shown as daughter and, given their ages,probably not John and Elizabeth's.

There is death for for a Timothy Leach in 1879:

Deaths Dec 1879 (99%)
Leach Timothy 20 Bury 8c 349

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Marriages Mar 1889 (>99%)
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Harris Thomas Salford 8d 64
LEACH Maria Salford 8d 64

Stil married to Mr Leach when Susannah was born

Thanks Potty,

Any idea why she would be adopted by the lewis family if at 18 when she married, her father was still alive?

Think I will get Susannah's birth certificate first before I pin to much hope on Maria Lewis......however there cant be many Maria's from Africa living in Manchester in 1881............so maybe this is the right line of enquiry.

Thanks for web site address for lancs-ops

Suzanne

Always a good idea to check Lancashire births and marriages on lancs-opc site:

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Here is the Leach/White marriage giving father's names:

Marriage: 22 Sep 1878 St Oswald, Collyhurst, Lancashire, England
Timothy Edmund Leach - 20 Labourer Bachelor of 7 Susan St.
Maria Eveline White - (X), 18 Reeler Spinster of 7 Susan St.
Groom's Father: Timothy Leach, Plumber
Bride's Father: James White, Officer
Witness: William Dale; Martha Dale
Married by Banns by: A. Brooke Clarke Rector
Register: Marriages 1855 - 1882, Page 153, Entry 305
Source: LDS Film 2148023

Kathleen,

Thanks for that......................it makes sense now.............better get it ordered!

Suzanne

Rose.

I really like your input...............it would be fascinating if she was adopted.

I dont know how i could find out if this is the correct person though or if her real surname was White when she married Timothy Leach. If it was do you have any idea why they might have put Lewis on the census and not her married name?

Its getting confusing and I've only just looked at this branch.

Thanks for all you help, Suzanne

I think that Jax means that you will find out the father's name if he is mentioned on the birth certificate. If Susannah's mother was married then the father should be named on the certificate. However if she wasn't married then the father's name may not be added to the certificate if the child was illegitimate.

Kath. x

Sylvia,

Thanks for the info on the siblings. Its quite strange dont you think that she has a child called Josiah and that is the name of the man she is housekeeping for?

I cant seem to find her with Susannah's father on any census though or indeed a marriage to him.

Thanks for you help perhaps a visit to the church records might be needed.

Suzanne

Thanks everyone for you help. Dont think I would have been able to find this information without you!

Jax,
What do you mean by if added?
Is this it ? will find out mothers maiden name and father (if added)

Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
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Harris Susannah Manchester 8d 210

I think this is defo the right one.